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Hi ladies!

Well my first order from Silk Natuarals came in today! I had actually forgotten all about it so when my daughter brought it in I was surprised! (Don't you love that?)

I have to say how impressed I am. I was not expecting to love it this much!

Their lipstick / gloss/ balm section is the biggest indie one I have run across . So many colors!

The color I got is Eternal and its a gorgeous example of the Pantone Marsala I think! Being a child of the 90's Im so happy for this color lol.

I also got 4 blushes and a shadow which I haven't tried yet. The lipstick is so smooth and creamy. Yum!

I'll let you know what I think of the shadows and blushes when I get the chance to swatch them !

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I love Silk Naturals products too! I've switched from Alima to their Medium Coverage Harmony Foundation because it gives me a better colour match (it's DIY mixing, but once you figure out your mix, it's a cinch to reproduce for the next batch & having the basics also can help in salvaging bad colour matches from other brands - if you feel you need to use them up). Their Perfecting Powder - wow! I love the Sleep in a Jar (in Light Peach for me), their lippies, of course, and their cream eyeliners (and the 9 palette of them) is really great too! The real surprise for me though is their serums and moisturizers. They're a bit different than your average cream so it took me a bit to get used to them; but I couldn't believe that my skin could be like that! This is one example where I don't want to use up the other brands, because I'd rather use this!! The eye shadows are super too. I haven't found many I don't like, but my current faves are Bristol, Flash, Caldera, Heat, Fire, Latent, & Mojave. All awesome! Definitely worth a try. :) /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

 
I got three lip products from Silk Naturals, and I'd like to know if my experience was any similar to others.

I got a Kisser Slicker in Precious and a Slick Stick in Pulse, and neither twist down. Is this normal for all their lipsticks? I hate having product twisted up when I re-cap.

I found Precious made my lips look frosted (though it looks fine layered over something else) and Pulse caught on all my dry spots (though was moisturizing enough for me to correct afterwards).

Lastly, I got a Lip Stain in Kiki (a dark purple). It was the worst thing I've ever used. It was immediately patchy the second I applied it, deeply staining every moderately dry patch on my lips while sliding off the less-dry parts with no time to correct. It feathered and stained the border of my lips. No matter how much I dabbed or tried to move the stain, I could not get an even stain.

And it would not come off. In total, I used one oil cleanser, one lip & eye remover, three foaming cleansers, one oil balm cleanser, and straight argan oil, all with lots of scrubbing. I was still left with a 1cm by 1cm patch in the middle of my bottom lip stained deeply purple, with light purple stains all over my lips. I got comments that said I looked like I got punched in the mouth. The stain lasted over 40 hours despite my constant washing and scrubbing. I am scared to even try it again, or even swatch it on my arm.

I really was not impressed by what I got in terms of lip products (I haven't tried the shadows/blush I got yet). I'm wondering if I just got some freak accidents, because I've heard a lot of people rave about their lip products. They're probably the worst I've ever used at this point. I'm really disappointed.

 
Hmm, I just checked my Kisser Slicker Raindrops on Roses and it retracts fine. I haven't personally had this problem. However, I recall the recommendation from the past from more than one indie lippie seller that 1) one should not wind soft lippies out very far to 'look' at them or to apply them as a) there is a risk at the end where you can wind the screw and pop it off the threads, at which point it will not wind back; and due to the softness of the lip product it is very hard to hold the bullet to force the base back onto the threads; and b ) the bullet is soft, having a long wound-out part can lead to the force of application breaking the bullet; and 2) when you are in warm weather, the bullet will have expanded, which can cause issues on retraction because the bullet is firmly against the tube at the 'outside' end, and if it is soft enough, that pressure will cause the bullet to stay in place while you retract that base that typically holds the bullet, essentially breaking the connection between the two. That will definitely mean the bullet will no longer retract.

So, I don't wind my lippies out too much, and I definitely make sure not to do that in hot weather! I'm 'lucky' in that I'm in a cold climate and have a/c in the summer, so my lippies usually don't get that hot anyway. When I receive deliveries in the summer (or winter for that matter: frozen nail polish anyone?), I leave them alone until they've returned to ambient indoor temperatures before handling. It sounds like you've been unlucky on these two.

I personally don't love the frostier lip looks, so I sort through swatches, reviews, and her 'shimmer scale' ratings that you can find for some/most of the lippies in the description under additional info. I notice Precious is rated a 3/5 (0 is matte; 5 is full-on glitter) which means that there is some medium degree of glitter/shimmer but it's less chunky than in others according to the comment. There's a lot of helpful information out there on the majority of these lippies since there are a lot of people who have swatched and reviewed them, on the site and elsewhere. A 3/5 is pretty frosty/shimmery in my mind - Raindrops on Roses for example is a 2/5 and that is enough for me (it's a sheerer mid-tone pinky gloss with a touch of shimmer that I like to use as a 'slightly more than a lip balm', but don't have to look while I'm applying it because it's light and sheer enough.) Precious is a 2/5 on the opacity scale, so if you expected an opaque lipstick, I can understand being disappointed about that too. It will not have the kind of coverage you get with a 5/5 opacity lippie.

Pulse is a deep but sheer tone. If you have more dry spots, you'd probably be better off and happier with a an opaque tone, which is better for full-coverage of the lips. There are so, so many colours to choose from, but maybe something more like one of the opaque organic vegan lipsticks like Fashionista (4/5 opacity, 4/5 colour depth) or something even more opaque? It looks more brown-red and less plummy than Pulse, so you might have to look through them to see what you like. I enjoy Fashionista - it's a bit intense on me due to my complexion, but I like the creamy, moisturizing feel. Of course it's a bit of a trade-off with lasting power. A drier application, like the Honeybee Gardens lippies, gives me a longer lasting colour when I want that. (I like to sometimes use a lip brush with the 'drier', more pigment-intense lippies, so it's more steps - it depends what I want on the day.) In terms of lip brushes though, they are awesome for getting really smooth, even coverage with anything, even on dry lips! I love using my lip brushes. But sometimes the day calls for an easy, balm-like moisturizing coverage, and I find SN is great at making many I can really easily apply in a few swipes with just the tube.

I've lately had a lot of fun with some highly pigmented colours from SN that I normally wouldn't wear, but surprised me, in a good way, for how they worked with my complexion, like Zap, a vivid, and fairly opaque orange! If I'm in a bold mood, I can swipe it on; but a lip brush gives me a lot more control for that on a regular day. :rolleyes:

Yeah, lip stains have pluses and minuses (from any manufacturer). Was this your first? They are generally really not good for dry lips. A lot of people find them generally uncomfortable to wear, and some aren't really intended for use alone. If you want lasting colour, moisturize your lips like crazy (ahead of time), especially where they absorb the most colour. You might need to do a salt/sugar scrub on the lips to remove dry skin first (it probably just stained dry adhering skin on parts of your lip, which is why it was easier to remove on parts of your lips - you rubbed off the dead skin - and it stained other parts, where there wasn't a dry layer). Then, a while later, apply the stain gently to get a more even application. Possibly block the area where you absorb the most intense colour by mixing the stain with balm for that area only. Apply more stain on the outer drier areas of the lip; possibly use a lip pencil to avoid feathering when you're applying. Observe that it's really easy to apply product 'far inside the lines' where there is less risk of messing up, but it's probably 'by the lines' that you need more colour and layers of stain. I find these ones almost have a layer to remove once you're finished getting all stained that carries some of the colour. Then put on your gloss/whatever. If you love that pigmented and long-lasting coloured-lip effect, keep experimenting with this and other brands. I don't mind my 'naked' lips when something wears off, so I don't bother with the work I'd need to do to successfully regularly wear stains. And I'm sure others will have better advice on how to do this too. Some are more enthused about the 'stay-put' lip product (sealed onto the lip; like OCC lip tar/MUFE aqua rouge) over the 'stain' (which is supposed to stain your lips and stay there; your challenges in removing it are a testament to that :) /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" /> ). The stay-put ones might work better for you too.

It kind of sounds like you're quite unhappy, but if you want to try any other SN lippies in the future, I would check the shimmer ratings, reviews, etc. to pick lippies that suit what you prefer. Don't just look at the colours as it gives you no idea of the nature of the item. She's good about returns and exchanges too, so you could explore that.

Good luck with the other products! I learned quickly that a 'kitten'/'fibre optic' brush is a girl's best friend with applying highly pigmented mineral blushes, and then all was right with the blushes. :blush:

 
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I want to try the foundations, but I am so intimidated by attempting to mix my own!
I was too, but my, does it make a difference when you actually get a great match on your skin! I was really amazed, and happy about that! What products do you regularly use? Maybe I can give you some idea of a ballpark colour mix/product strategy to start with? They also have a forum discussion on that that helps.

 
Thanks so much for the detailed info, Monika1! The makeup was actually part of a gift, so I don't fault SN in any way for me not being a fan of Precious (though swatches I looked at after I got it look way less frosty then it looks on my lips! Maybe just because my lips are more pigmented?). And after wearing Pulse for a bit it faded into a really nice colour, so I'm glad to say I can actually use that one on a regular basis!

As far as the tubes go, I twisted Precious up maybe 3/4 of a centimeter to look at it, but when it wouldn't go back down I only twisted Pulse up 1/4 of a cm and then back down to see if it would work, and it didn't. They were Christmas presents, so I don't think any heat was involved -- they were bought and shipped in November. Might just be my bad luck, or maybe my giftee opened them up before gifting them? I'll ask them later. Might just be bad luck or shipping mishaps, too. Still disappointing!

I've got a few Korean lip tints, I'm not sure if any are advertised as a stain. I am a big fan of the "stay put" stuff! I do have unnaturally dry lips, but the weird thing was that the big spot that stayed there wasn't dry at all! While I managed to physically peel off almost the dry bits of my skin, big spot wouldn't budge at all and wasn't lifting from the rest of the lip. I actually found the formula comfortable to wear... just... patchy. If it all stained like that spot I wouldn't mind, it was actually the colour I was hoping for! I wish I took a picture. I guess my problem was more that it overstained AND understained other parts, no matter how many layers I put on the understained parts? It was weird.

I feel bad for feeling so frustrated!! I do want to like SN. I tried out the blush and it's greatly pigmented as you said (a little shimmery for me though -- I'm beginning to think the giftee just had bad luck with my tastes). The eyeshadows look pigmented but I haven't tried them on the eyes yet. You seem very experienced and happy with their lip products so I'm going to trust you and try making my own order next time I hear of a sale. Their website is very detailed with the information, which I'm happy about.

 
I was too, but my, does it make a difference when you actually get a great match on your skin! I was really amazed, and happy about that! What products do you regularly use? Maybe I can give you some idea of a ballpark colour mix/product strategy to start with? They also have a forum discussion on that that helps.
Well, I'm currently working on using up a mishmash of things! I generally use the lightest shade in most "typical" foundation ranges (Ivory in Revlon Colorstay, etc) and if there is a cool/warm option, I wear the cool one. Things tend to look orange on me really easily. 

 
Interesting, my lippie doesn't retract either, I thought I remembered reading somewhere on the site that the kind I purchased does not retract.

And I do love all the detailed info they list below each product, the opacity scale, etc. Thats crazy helpful picking out the right product for what you are going for.

Other than the Lippe (which I love) I only bought blushes (peach is the new blush is gorgeous!) And an eye shadow which I haven't put to the test yet.

I also am too intimidated trying to mix my own foundation!

But I've read so many great reviews on them so I will have to give them a shot at some point.

I am going to pick up a serum though since your review is so good! I've been wanting a new one anyways, and these are affordable enough to give it a shot.

 
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Interesting, my lippie doesn't retract either, I thought I remembered reading somewhere on the site that the kind I purchased does not retract.

And I do love all the detailed info they list below each product, the opacity scale, etc. Thats crazy helpful picking out the right product for what you are going for.

Other than the Lippe (which I love) I only bought blushes (peach is the new blush is gorgeous!) And an eye shadow which I haven't put to the test yet.

I also am too intimidated trying to mix my own foundation!

But I've read so many great reviews on them so I will have to give them a shot at some point.

I am going to pick up a serum though since your review is so good! I've been wanting a new one anyways, and these are affordable enough to give it a shot.
Yes, I like the pricing of the skincare too; it's probably at least part of what makes me so enthused about it. :) /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" /> They also have samples for the skincare items, which makes it possible to try out a few with even less investment. For me, a bottle lasts about 2-3 months with 2-3 squirts per application. I apply the serum, then moisturizer, then concealer right away, and the rest of my makeup. They do behave a bit differently than other products I've tried. It surprised me at first - I wasn't sure the sticky, slightly 'marine'-smelling (for some of them, to be honest; they aren't perfumed to cover any natural scents), rapidly-absorbing/disappearing stuff would do anything. But now my skin is soft, not wrinkled at my age, makeup applies beautifully, and my giant (previously aggravatingly black or white-dot filled no matter how much I scrubbed and cleansed) pores have hidden to be replaced by this lovely skin. I think I like all the serums from her I've tried, and also the moisturizers, so I don't know if I can really help with a choice. She does have advice on the forums on which serums work well with which moisturizers, and what you shouldn't mix with AHA/BHA if you use it (I don't, generally.. no need with these products for me!). I agree green tea & aloe, and oatmeal are both nicely hydrating serums, though you might question that at first when you try them as they are different (by not being heavy, greasy, oily, or slimy) than many other products. I like all of them that I've tried (oil control, rose, and botanical are the only ones I haven't tried). Moisturizers: I lean toward Intensive and Firming, Jojoba and the Argan & Goji are super too. (I haven't tried Raspberry or Hemp.) The Olive oil one is different, and I think more for hands and body, but it works well for some on the face too. Have fun choosing!

 
Well, I'm currently working on using up a mishmash of things! I generally use the lightest shade in most "typical" foundation ranges (Ivory in Revlon Colorstay, etc) and if there is a cool/warm option, I wear the cool one. Things tend to look orange on me really easily. 
Hmm, ok. Looking at your pic, I know your skin is lighter than mine. I ended up with a really good Silk Naturals mix of 32 scoops (which = 1 tsp; the 1/32 tsp scoop comes with the foundation intro kit) Medium Coverage : 2 scoops Ebony : 1 scoop Buttery Gold : 1 scoop Olive. (I then add a few scoops of other things in too; they have a slight lightening effect.) This means I'm at a ratio of about 8-9 scoops white (Medium) to 1 scoop colour. With Alima foundations, I was on colour depth 2 or 3 out of a range of 0 to 9, so it's clear my skin is darker than yours from that also, if you tend to be at or near the lightest.

Now, in my case I first bought the Intro Foundation Samples kit with All Purpose Foundation. I mixed 1 scoop Ebony to about 10/11 scoops All Purpose White... my 'ebony mix' and found the depth of colour was alright, but that the Ebony gives me a mix that is actually a bit -too- pink on me. So then I mixed a second batch (I wasn't sure of the ratios for the combination of the two colour bases, so did each of them separately) of 1 scoop Buttery Gold to about 11 scoops All Purpose White... my 'yellow mix'. I certainly knew the yellow alone would be terrible on me, but as an additive.. hopeful. I then mixed the 'yellow' mix in initially a 1:2 ratio with the 'ebony' mix. It was better, but I thought I could do better. I tried the 1:1 mix of the two but then it seemed too yellow and more wrong. I started wondering about the Olive colour just as more pink or more yellow didn't seem to be the right solution. Note: I have quite a bit of redness in my facial skin, so as that would have been distracting in trying to create a good colour match, I worked on matching to the skin by my collar bone. This made it easy to look clearly at the colour undertones too, as I could apply foundation to a specific rectangular area of skin and compare the apparent colour to my clean skin. Now at this point, if you've been doing any calculating, I'd already used up about 22 scoops of the 1 tsp sample of the All Purpose White, though, even in my case, barely any of the pigmented bases. It didn't look like I had much White left (since the 1 tsp = 32 scoops, it should have been about 10 scoops left). I ended up waiting to proceed further after ordering a Full All Purpose Ivory starter kit with the Ebony base (as I knew I'd need more of that eventually too), but at the same time I also ordered some of the Medium White, as I suspected I'd like more coverage. The bonus with a similar amount of the Medium vs the All Purpose White is that if you are fair, you get more white density in the medium vs the all purpose, specifically for me: I need 11 scoops white to 1 ebony with all purpose, but only 8/9 scoops white to 1 ebony for medium white. In any case, I managed to figure out that adding some olive did the trick for me.

I I were you, I would order one set of the Intro Foundation Samples sets so you get the 1 tsp of white base plus 1/2 tsp of most of the coloured bases (of which I suspect you'll need the ebony and maybe a bit of buttery gold?? based on apparent skin tone), and the sifter jar and scoop, but I'd also order the Full Size Starter kit, where you get a full tablespoon of the white base, plus a full tbsp of a coloured base (Ebony), and another sifter jar and scoop, plus a great sample). That way you have enough white and an extra container to mess around with a bit more.

If you like more coverage, get the Medium White at first so mixing might be a bit easier and less white-intensive. If you prefer lighter coverage, get one of the lighter mixes. Due to my redness, I really like the medium. If you have a lot of empty containers at home and are comfortable with only one measuring scoop, you could also choose to get your appropriate White tbsp baggie from the Foundation and Booster Refills page. Notice that page also has some colour boosters and a few extra tinted base shades, if you thought you needed them. The Deep Ebony, for example, is for women with more pigmentation in their skin for whom the standard Ebony is too light. Some of us need a lot of white; some need a mix of the different tinted bases with no white at all. The bonus with the refills is you don't get a bunch of tinted base you will not need all that soon due to your lighter complexion. Comment: Apparently it's harder to create a good initial match with the Heavy White, so even if you like very heavy coverage, I'd start with the Medium for finding the initial match; then move to the Heavy later with the same colour ratio, but just less of the white component in Heavy vs. Medium. I haven't actually tried Heavy White yet. I've read many do like it.

As you start mixing and trying things (a really good shake is needed! some even suggest a blender, but I don't think that's necessary), write down exactly what you are measuring and putting into a sifter container. That way you will know later what to add or how to salvage the mix, if you moved on at the time, by adding something to create more of your perfect ratio from the leftovers and in-progress rejects. E.g. I have some 'yellow' mix left' I know was mixed at about 11:1 all purpose white to gold, if I measure it and find I have 6 scoops of the mix left, I could add another 6 scoops of a similar mix, 1 Olive, 2 Ebony, and around 24 scoops Medium white to get a good match. Writing everything down and labeling what you did makes things easy to salvage.

I'd suspect in your case, maybe 14 scoops White or 12 Medium White with the 1 scoop Ebony to start, and maybe a bit more white needed. But since it's harder to add in small quantities of Ebony than it is to add a scoop of White, just in case, I'd back off on the White and keep adding until it was light enough rather than risking going too light first. If I'm about 8.5 Medium White to colour, I suspect you'd be safe starting around 11 Medium or 13 White anyway. I mentioned the Buttery Gold earlier because I wonder whether you also might have some golden undertones. So, if the Ebony-White mix at the right colour depth does seem too pink, you would need to mix with a bit of Buttery Gold. Since you do notice (and I agree) you're mainly pink-cool, I'd try the straight Ebony first, though. If the straight Ebony-White mix looks too orange/yellow/green/beige on you from the start (when it is at the right depth of colour), then I'll be wrong about the yellow undertone. :) /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" /> In that case, it would seem you need more pink tone. That is also doable by adding some pink booster. (As I mentioned, the boosters are available in the Foundation Refills and Color Boosters page.) I don't know your skin tone as well as you do, so if you think you're quite pink-toned, this might be a good idea to have available to start too!

A lot of babbling, but it is a process, and best done with your own skin and the powders in front of you with good lighting. :D /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />  The folks (Karen) on the Silk Naturals forum are far better than I am at giving advice on a likely mix to match a photo, so you could also check with them. But in summary, I would probably get

If you are wondering if you might have a touch of yellow or green undertone in your skin [set A]:

1 Intro Foundation Samples kit with an Ivory or Medium Ivory aka White Foundation (so you have the Ebony but have the other color bases just in case, and a directions sheet)

and

1 Foundation Refill in 'X' Coverage Ivory Refill (so you have lots of white to work with)

or

1 'X' Coverage Ivory (full-size) Starter Kit with Ebony (so you have the white, an extra scoop and container, and the Perfector sample, and more Ebony for the future)

OR

If you are confident you are super-pink undertoned only [set B]:

1 'X' Coverage Ivory (full-size) Starter Kit with Ebony (so you have lots of the white, ebony, the scoop and container, and the awesome Perfector sample)

and

1 Pink Color Booster (so you can add more pink to make your foundation even more cool than what you get with Ebony and White)

OR

If you are not sure, but want to cover all the bases in one order only [set C]:

1 Set A

and

1 Pink Color Booster

I use 'X' to represent whichever weight and variation of foundation you choose. There are the options for the white base of Original, All Purpose, Vegan, Medium, Heavy (maybe not to start?), and there is also a Glow base for people who like a more ethereal look (I haven't tried it alone). Taken straight from the Silk Naturals site, "We recommend starting with the All Purpose Ivory for drier skin types, Original Ivory for light coverage and good oil control, or Vegan Ivory for light to moderate coverage in a vegan formula." Further up on the description for the Intro Sample sets:

"Original Ivory has light coverage, good oil control, and an airbrushed look. 

Vegan Ivory has a bit more coverage, and nice oil control.

All Purpose Ivory has creamy coverage and no oil control- it also looks great applied wet or dry, or mixed with moisturizer.  It's great for dry skin.

Medium Coverage provides fairly full coverage in one coat.

Heavy Coverage is very heavy, thick coverage that may be a bit "too much" for most skin."

I got All Purpose initially most for the potential flexibility, but I've not mixed myself any cream foundation out of it! I liked applying it with my brush, but decided I'd prefer a bit more coverage, so moved to Medium, and enjoy that. I put on my serum, moisturizer, a bit of concealer, then my match of Medium Coverage foundation, then if I want a polished look that day, I add Sleep In A Jar, Blush, (maybe contour), and Perfecting Powder (sometimes highlighter), plus do my eyes and lips.

I hope this epic description will help (and not overwhelm), and give you the idea that the process really isn't that daunting. It takes a bit to play with, and wear, the options, write down what you're doing if you know you might not remember, find the best mixture, and then reproduce it!

Also, don't bother trying to match your powder color to another powder/cream color because due to different mixing methods, this foundation, in my experience, will seem lighter than a decent match in another product (more mixing can apparently make it start to look darker). Match it to your face or collarbone area, against clean skin, directly. Check in different lighting and after an hour to be confident. Have fun playing!

 
@@Monika1 Thanks for the super detailed post! I'm debating trying the Silk Naturals route, but still feel a bit intimidated. I'm hoping it seems less daunting once the physical product is before me than when just facing the theory of it. Silly question, but I would need to buy two different sample kits if I wanted to try out the Vegan Ivory and the Medium Coverage, right?

I don't know what your skin type is. How's the oil control on the Medium coverage? 

I may email them sometime this week with some pictures to see if they can give me an idea color compositions. 

 
Hmm, ok. Looking at your pic, I know your skin is lighter than mine. I ended up with a really good Silk Naturals mix of 32 scoops (which = 1 tsp; the 1/32 tsp scoop comes with the foundation intro kit) Medium Coverage : 2 scoops Ebony : 1 scoop Buttery Gold : 1 scoop Olive. (I then add a few scoops of other things in too; they have a slight lightening effect.) This means I'm at a ratio of about 8-9 scoops white (Medium) to 1 scoop colour. With Alima foundations, I was on colour depth 2 or 3 out of a range of 0 to 9, so it's clear my skin is darker than yours from that also, if you tend to be at or near the lightest.

Now, in my case I first bought the Intro Foundation Samples kit with All Purpose Foundation. I mixed 1 scoop Ebony to about 10/11 scoops All Purpose White... my 'ebony mix' and found the depth of colour was alright, but that the Ebony gives me a mix that is actually a bit -too- pink on me. So then I mixed a second batch (I wasn't sure of the ratios for the combination of the two colour bases, so did each of them separately) of 1 scoop Buttery Gold to about 11 scoops All Purpose White... my 'yellow mix'. I certainly knew the yellow alone would be terrible on me, but as an additive.. hopeful. I then mixed the 'yellow' mix in initially a 1:2 ratio with the 'ebony' mix. It was better, but I thought I could do better. I tried the 1:1 mix of the two but then it seemed too yellow and more wrong. I started wondering about the Olive colour just as more pink or more yellow didn't seem to be the right solution. Note: I have quite a bit of redness in my facial skin, so as that would have been distracting in trying to create a good colour match, I worked on matching to the skin by my collar bone. This made it easy to look clearly at the colour undertones too, as I could apply foundation to a specific rectangular area of skin and compare the apparent colour to my clean skin. Now at this point, if you've been doing any calculating, I'd already used up about 22 scoops of the 1 tsp sample of the All Purpose White, though, even in my case, barely any of the pigmented bases. It didn't look like I had much White left (since the 1 tsp = 32 scoops, it should have been about 10 scoops left). I ended up waiting to proceed further after ordering a Full All Purpose Ivory starter kit with the Ebony base (as I knew I'd need more of that eventually too), but at the same time I also ordered some of the Medium White, as I suspected I'd like more coverage. The bonus with a similar amount of the Medium vs the All Purpose White is that if you are fair, you get more white density in the medium vs the all purpose, specifically for me: I need 11 scoops white to 1 ebony with all purpose, but only 8/9 scoops white to 1 ebony for medium white. In any case, I managed to figure out that adding some olive did the trick for me.

I I were you, I would order one set of the Intro Foundation Samples sets so you get the 1 tsp of white base plus 1/2 tsp of most of the coloured bases (of which I suspect you'll need the ebony and maybe a bit of buttery gold?? based on apparent skin tone), and the sifter jar and scoop, but I'd also order the Full Size Starter kit, where you get a full tablespoon of the white base, plus a full tbsp of a coloured base (Ebony), and another sifter jar and scoop, plus a great sample). That way you have enough white and an extra container to mess around with a bit more.

If you like more coverage, get the Medium White at first so mixing might be a bit easier and less white-intensive. If you prefer lighter coverage, get one of the lighter mixes. Due to my redness, I really like the medium. If you have a lot of empty containers at home and are comfortable with only one measuring scoop, you could also choose to get your appropriate White tbsp baggie from the Foundation and Booster Refills page. Notice that page also has some colour boosters and a few extra tinted base shades, if you thought you needed them. The Deep Ebony, for example, is for women with more pigmentation in their skin for whom the standard Ebony is too light. Some of us need a lot of white; some need a mix of the different tinted bases with no white at all. The bonus with the refills is you don't get a bunch of tinted base you will not need all that soon due to your lighter complexion. Comment: Apparently it's harder to create a good initial match with the Heavy White, so even if you like very heavy coverage, I'd start with the Medium for finding the initial match; then move to the Heavy later with the same colour ratio, but just less of the white component in Heavy vs. Medium. I haven't actually tried Heavy White yet. I've read many do like it.

As you start mixing and trying things (a really good shake is needed! some even suggest a blender, but I don't think that's necessary), write down exactly what you are measuring and putting into a sifter container. That way you will know later what to add or how to salvage the mix, if you moved on at the time, by adding something to create more of your perfect ratio from the leftovers and in-progress rejects. E.g. I have some 'yellow' mix left' I know was mixed at about 11:1 all purpose white to gold, if I measure it and find I have 6 scoops of the mix left, I could add another 6 scoops of a similar mix, 1 Olive, 2 Ebony, and around 24 scoops Medium white to get a good match. Writing everything down and labeling what you did makes things easy to salvage.

I'd suspect in your case, maybe 14 scoops White or 12 Medium White with the 1 scoop Ebony to start, and maybe a bit more white needed. But since it's harder to add in small quantities of Ebony than it is to add a scoop of White, just in case, I'd back off on the White and keep adding until it was light enough rather than risking going too light first. If I'm about 8.5 Medium White to colour, I suspect you'd be safe starting around 11 Medium or 13 White anyway. I mentioned the Buttery Gold earlier because I wonder whether you also might have some golden undertones. So, if the Ebony-White mix at the right colour depth does seem too pink, you would need to mix with a bit of Buttery Gold. Since you do notice (and I agree) you're mainly pink-cool, I'd try the straight Ebony first, though. If the straight Ebony-White mix looks too orange/yellow/green/beige on you from the start (when it is at the right depth of colour), then I'll be wrong about the yellow undertone. :) /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" /> In that case, it would seem you need more pink tone. That is also doable by adding some pink booster. (As I mentioned, the boosters are available in the Foundation Refills and Color Boosters page.) I don't know your skin tone as well as you do, so if you think you're quite pink-toned, this might be a good idea to have available to start too!

A lot of babbling, but it is a process, and best done with your own skin and the powders in front of you with good lighting. :D /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />  The folks (Karen) on the Silk Naturals forum are far better than I am at giving advice on a likely mix to match a photo, so you could also check with them. But in summary, I would probably get

If you are wondering if you might have a touch of yellow or green undertone in your skin [set A]:

1 Intro Foundation Samples kit with an Ivory or Medium Ivory aka White Foundation (so you have the Ebony but have the other color bases just in case, and a directions sheet)

and

1 Foundation Refill in 'X' Coverage Ivory Refill (so you have lots of white to work with)

or

1 'X' Coverage Ivory (full-size) Starter Kit with Ebony (so you have the white, an extra scoop and container, and the Perfector sample, and more Ebony for the future)

OR

If you are confident you are super-pink undertoned only [set B]:

1 'X' Coverage Ivory (full-size) Starter Kit with Ebony (so you have lots of the white, ebony, the scoop and container, and the awesome Perfector sample)

and

1 Pink Color Booster (so you can add more pink to make your foundation even more cool than what you get with Ebony and White)

OR

If you are not sure, but want to cover all the bases in one order only [set C]:

1 Set A

and

1 Pink Color Booster

I use 'X' to represent whichever weight and variation of foundation you choose. There are the options for the white base of Original, All Purpose, Vegan, Medium, Heavy (maybe not to start?), and there is also a Glow base for people who like a more ethereal look (I haven't tried it alone). Taken straight from the Silk Naturals site, "We recommend starting with the All Purpose Ivory for drier skin types, Original Ivory for light coverage and good oil control, or Vegan Ivory for light to moderate coverage in a vegan formula." Further up on the description for the Intro Sample sets:

"Original Ivory has light coverage, good oil control, and an airbrushed look. 

Vegan Ivory has a bit more coverage, and nice oil control.

All Purpose Ivory has creamy coverage and no oil control- it also looks great applied wet or dry, or mixed with moisturizer.  It's great for dry skin.

Medium Coverage provides fairly full coverage in one coat.

Heavy Coverage is very heavy, thick coverage that may be a bit "too much" for most skin."

I got All Purpose initially most for the potential flexibility, but I've not mixed myself any cream foundation out of it! I liked applying it with my brush, but decided I'd prefer a bit more coverage, so moved to Medium, and enjoy that. I put on my serum, moisturizer, a bit of concealer, then my match of Medium Coverage foundation, then if I want a polished look that day, I add Sleep In A Jar, Blush, (maybe contour), and Perfecting Powder (sometimes highlighter), plus do my eyes and lips.

I hope this epic description will help (and not overwhelm), and give you the idea that the process really isn't that daunting. It takes a bit to play with, and wear, the options, write down what you're doing if you know you might not remember, find the best mixture, and then reproduce it!

Also, don't bother trying to match your powder color to another powder/cream color because due to different mixing methods, this foundation, in my experience, will seem lighter than a decent match in another product (more mixing can apparently make it start to look darker). Match it to your face or collarbone area, against clean skin, directly. Check in different lighting and after an hour to be confident. Have fun playing!
THANK YOU for all of this! You're the best. :) /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

 
This absolutely terrifies me but I want to mix foundation in my bathroom!! SCIENCE.

 
@@Monika1 Thanks for the super detailed post! I'm debating trying the Silk Naturals route, but still feel a bit intimidated. I'm hoping it seems less daunting once the physical product is before me than when just facing the theory of it. Silly question, but I would need to buy two different sample kits if I wanted to try out the Vegan Ivory and the Medium Coverage, right?

I don't know what your skin type is. How's the oil control on the Medium coverage? 

I may email them sometime this week with some pictures to see if they can give me an idea color compositions. 
@@ZeeOmega, you're welcome! I thought I'd mention a few things in the note above; and it just got a bit longer... No problem with the questions; I found it scary to start too. No, you don't need to buy two sample kits. I would maybe get one sample kit (which gets you the smaller 1 tsp portion of one of the Ivory/White bases, the most common colours - Ebony, Buttery Gold, Olive, Warm Gold, 1/2 tsp each, the scoop, container, instruction sheet, etc.) and one selection of white 'refill' from the Foundation Refill page (which gives you 1 full tbsp of the other white base). Alternately, I'd consider getting the sample kit plus the full-size starter kit (would get you the 1 tbsp white base plus 1 tbsp of one selected colour as well, plus an extra scoop and container, and sample Perfecting powder), but that's a bit more investment. You could actually buy two sample kits if you wanted, but since the white base is the important thing for mixing your colour if you're lighter-skinned, you'd get more with the 'refill'. On the other hand, if I had a very deep skin-tone, I'd consider the refill in the Dark Ebony so I'd have my closest 'base' tone to work with.

I don't know exactly what to say about my skin type at this point. In my teens and 20s I was super oily, but now I'm more 'combination sensitive', I think. I don't have to put on moisturizer for comfort in the day, but do use it as I found the Silk Naturals serum and moisturizer just very much improve the quality and nature of my skin (as I described before). I am no longer challenged with sopping up a bunch of oil mid-day or re-doing foundation, but my nose and cheeks will have an oiliness by the end of the day if it's been a no makeup day. If I don't put on any moisturizer, my facial skin might be a bit tight-feeling for about 15 minutes after a shower. Then it will feel fine. My skin has a fair bit of redness as well, and I am sensitive to certain products. So you can tell I'm not as focused on sopping up oil anymore, but I do benefit from what the mineral powder makeup does to minimize the accumulation of 'sheen' during the day. The medium coverage (with no primer or anything else applied) will look decent after eight to ten hours, but I will see that the oil around my nose and cheeks (and forehead) will have caused a little absorption of the foundation. So, grocery-shopping, fine; maybe a touch-up for a night out. If I bothered regularly with a primer or finisher of some sort, I'd be good for the night out too. The medium coverage works alone for me in that it gives me easy, quick coverage in fewer steps (no need for me to use a primer for the average day), and lasts long enough that I don't need to touch up most of the time. I've noticed that even after a lighter workout, I often feel I don't 'need' to do anything at all! With the All Purpose Ivory, I felt I did need to touch up at 5 hours, and would get a sheen, or the foundation would seem to have disappeared, so that does suggest Medium is definitely doing more for oil than the All Purpose, even though I notice she doesn't have a comment on its 'oil' behaviour. I haven't tried the Vegan or Original Ivories for comparison personally. Obviously those each would have been better options for oil absorption for me than the All Purpose, but I was swayed by the "could mix with moisturizer" possibility, which I never actually tried anyway. I see why you're thinking of trying two white bases. Note also that she has products for priming and oil absorption. I think the Perfecting powder is amazing to finish my look (it does give an added 'special something', not that I always bother, though, just because I'm very happy with just the medium foundation). Oil control primer might be helpful too, for getting a lasting polished look with oilier skin. So many options! I still look at that site and think "ooh, that might be interesting to try in the future," but it's nice to have a foundation that I'm not trying to 'fix' by applying other things!

I look forward to hearing what you try and how it goes! Sending in a photo for their colour and mixing suggestions is a good idea. She can likely help with the Original/Vegan/Medium oil absorption question too.

 
@@Monika1 You're so awesome for taking the time to give a thorough response. I was thinking of getting two different sample kits to try the different bases for coverage and oil purposes. I like your idea of picking up the base refills to keep experimenting with the color combos. I think that running out of the base while trying to find a match was the most common complaint I saw while looking up Silk Naturals. Costs are on my mind which is adding to my indecisiveness of what to pick up.

 I went ahead and emailed them. Naturally it's hard to pick for someone else, but she thinks that I should try either the All Purpose or Medium, with the All Purpose being for when my skin is less oily. I'm another combination with sensitive skin person. Looking at my pictures, she thinks I might be about 1 scoop of Olive to about 12 white with the Medium. 

I was at a point last night when I was thinking, "Nah, I won't try Silk Naturals." I had tried several different brands and was starting to lean towards one. Alima and EDM are out due to not getting a good match. Alima did have an Olive line, but the lightest was too light and the next one was way too dark. Plus I think it was actually breaking me out. I was then certain that it would be Meow, but while I like the color match, the coverage just wasn't there in the Pampered line and, while the one I had wasn't in my color, the Flawless formula is too heavy. Now I really want to try Silk Naturals - once I figure out how I want to go about it.

 
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@@Monika1 You're so awesome for taking the time to give a thorough response. I was thinking of getting two different sample kits to try the different bases for coverage and oil purposes. I like your idea of picking up the base refills to keep experimenting with the color combos. I think that running out of the base while trying to find a match was the most common complaint I saw while looking up Silk Naturals. Costs are on my mind which is adding to my indecisiveness of what to pick up.

 I went ahead and emailed them. Naturally it's hard to pick for someone else, but she thinks that I should try either the All Purpose or Medium, with the All Purpose being for when my skin is less oily. I'm another combination with sensitive skin person. Looking at my pictures, she thinks I might be about 1 scoop of Olive to about 12 white with the Medium. 

I was at a point last night when I was thinking, "Nah, I won't try Silk Naturals." I had tried several different brands and was starting to lean towards one. Alima and EDM are out due to not getting a good match. Alima did have an Olive line, but the lightest was too light and the next one was way too dark. Plus I think it was actually breaking me out. I was then certain that it would be Meow, but while I like the color match, the coverage just wasn't there in the Pampered line and, while the one I had wasn't in my color, the Flawless formula is too heavy. Now I really want to try Silk Naturals - once I figure out how I want to go about it.
Hi again! Looking to keep costs down, I'd have the idea to get just one sample kit, so you have the other colour bases just in case, let's say, if Olive alone is too green or something. [an aside here...: wouldn't it be awesome if your perfect match was exactly one scoop Olive and 12 scoops Medium, done!] If you got the sample kit in the All Purpose, let's say, then get one refill in the Medium (or vice-versa). When you get them home, use the one you got as your refill as your initial mixing base (since you have more = 1 tbsp of that) and save the white from the sample kit (which has 1 tsp only) for once you've figured out your colour mixture, so you benefit from all of the 1 tsp for base-testing purposes.

 
Hi again! Looking to keep costs down, I'd have the idea to get just one sample kit, so you have the other colour bases just in case, let's say, if Olive alone is too green or something. [an aside here...: wouldn't it be awesome if your perfect match was exactly one scoop Olive and 12 scoops Medium, done!] If you got the sample kit in the All Purpose, let's say, then get one refill in the Medium (or vice-versa). When you get them home, use the one you got as your refill as your initial mixing base (since you have more = 1 tbsp of that) and save the white from the sample kit (which has 1 tsp only) for once you've figured out your colour mixture, so you benefit from all of the 1 tsp for base-testing purposes.
Hahaha. So I'm a prime example of someone who shouldn't make any decisions when they are hungry and have low blood sugar. All reason and logic goes out the window, sometimes resulting in irrational and impulsive decisions. I wish I had waited until after dinner and really thought out my plan of attack. Oh well, the order was done several hours ago, having spent a few more dollars than I needed to. I'll just leave it at that for now.  :wacko:

I'll let you know how the experimenting proceeds when my order arrives. Thanks again for all your help!  :) /emoticons/[email protected] 2x" width="20" height="20" />

 
@@Monika1 Got my order today! I'm so glad I ordered more than just a sample pack. You really can go through the white so quickly if you are playing around. I wonder if they've considered increasing the amount of white included, or at least add a disclaimer about that. 

At first I was trying out just olive mixed with white and was slowing adding scoop by scoop and mixing to try. And then at one point I thought, geez, this is looking kinda pink porcelain on me. So then I started going crazy mixing in buttery gold and then that batch just started going all sorts of crazy. So I stopped myself and reassessed. I decided to just try Buttery Golden and white. I though, hey, this looks promising. Not so pink. Up to this point I'd been swatching on my hands and arms, and the promising ones on my decolletage and jaw area. I decided to do a full face with the Buttery Golden and white mix. After a while I thought, eh, okay, but it's not quite right when compared to my neck and chest. So I thought, what the heck, let's retry just olive and white, you never tried a full face. And...that's when I realized that I had probably wasted a bunch of white on the random mixes. When I tried 12 white and 1 olive with the All Purpose, it was pretty darn close. It might look porcelain swatched on the back of my hand, but it actually seems to work out on my face. Unfortunately, it got dark so I'll need to verify in the morning. 

I do think that the current ratio may be a smidge on the light side, so I'm going to mix a batch on the side in the morning to see if I can get a closer fit. I love that this is an option! Before, I would just be 'Eh, close enough.' Now, I can actually fix it! I had also done a preliminary test on the Medium (10 white, 1 olive), but I think it came out too light. I may hold off on changing that though until it gets warmer and I need better oil control, at which point I may be a bit darker. 

While the mixology got a bit frustrating due to my silliness (I really should have just trusted the advice given to me), I really like the idea of working towards a good match. Plus, I really like Silk Natural's formulas. By this point I've tried Meow, Alima, and Everyday Minerals. SN is my favorite so far in terms of how it feels and looks on my face. Coverage seems pretty good, but I'll have to wait until I have daylight to work with and for my face to be calm and back on its regular moisturizing routine, instead of me wiping sample after sample off of it. 

Also, I really liked the eyeshadow samples they sent. Like seriously. But I keep internally lying to myself and trying to tell myself they weren't that great. I can justify spending money on foundation. It's a base. I also have enough finishing powder sample to last me a bit. I have eyeshadows. I want different eyeshadows, but I have plenty at the moment. I also want to try their lip products. But I'm telling myself to wait until we're dual income again. 

Sorry for the rambles everyone. But I'm so glad that this thread caught my attention and decided to give this company a try!

 
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