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#Post 1 of 64 OFFLINE   arrafay

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 04:33 PM

I didn't know whether this belonged her or in the 'advice and rants' forum. I figured since I'm more wanting a discussion then to rant/ask for help I'd put it here.

Now I talk to a lot of guys and one things a lot of them will talk about is how they just can't stand 'fake' women. I'm talking physically here, but I'm sure they think physically probably also delves down into their personality too. The other day I was around men ranting about push up bras and how it's so fake of women to wear them, can't stand them, blah blah. So then I countered with telling them that I wear them quite a lot and other girls to, and that it seems to attract more guys then repel like they're acting like. Plus the fact that they'd never know if they were push up bras since there was soo little of a chance they'd ever get most girls out of their clothes......LOL shut them up.

But it's got me thinking about all the other times I've heard men talk about how they can't stand barbie dolls, plastic girls, girls who try to hard........but then you look around at the women who are considered sexiest by lots of guys (the kinds on in mens magazines, porn, anime depending on the guy XP[now that is fake]) and they're not exactly the epitome of real girls. Now I have nothing against so called 'fake' girls. I mean I wear make up, have had hair extensions, worn padded bras, used self tanner, and lots of other things men seem to rant and rail against, yet, (not) surprisingly get me a lot more attention then I normally do. It's like do men not realize that all these pictures they're drooling over in magazines are photo-shopped, or how much time those celebrities they love spend on hair and makeup? To me it seems like such an unrealistic expectation for guys to want girls who are beautiful to their standards, yet at the same time rant about how girls aren't real.

Here is an MSN convo I had last night which I think basically sums up my thoughts:

Me: also push up bikini?
Me: there's such a thing?
Guy: No, that was the joke.
Guy: If there was beaches would basically be a giant RL Photoshop job.
Me: lol well considering how many men would see those girls out of their bikinis, I'm sure they wouldn't actually complain to much about 'fakeness'
Guy: You'd be surprised. XD Guys don't like mind games.
Me: pshh guys rant about 'fake' girls and then that's the most common type of girl gone after. I think men just don't want to know things are fake
Guy: Probably.

Actually this just reminded me of a time in Glamor magazine when they showed men 3 pictures of a women with 3 different types of natural looks (one almost no makeup look, a barely makeup look, and pretty much a full out sexy look) and asked the guys which one they preferred.....and there was seriously something like 80% of guys liked the one with the most makeup.

So have you had any situations with guys like this? Do you think that it's because men just have unrealistic expectations, would rather not know how much work it takes to look good, or just really don't like it? Or do you think it's all total BS XD?

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 04:47 PM

I think men (who don't cross dress ) don't realize what goes into beauty. Many say they want low maintenance women, yet when a woman is then she's criticized for not putting enough effort into her appearance. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Many men want the beauty they see in magazines and internet sites, but without it taking time or costing money. Truly unrealistic. I think if men were taught just what it takes to look good (finding clothes with the right cut, skin exfoliation, hair removal, skin care routines, makeup, hair, nails, dental care, choosing accessories, etc.) then their ideas of what high maintenance is would change.

I think the problem stems from men simply not understanding just how much work goes into beautifying yourself.
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#Post 3 of 64 OFFLINE   Karren

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 06:06 PM



Lol! Thanks L! I feel so much like a fake "fake woman".. Sigh...
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by internetchick View Post
I think men (who don't cross dress ) don't realize what goes into beauty. Many say they want low maintenance women, yet when a woman is then she's criticized for not putting enough effort into her appearance. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Many men want the beauty they see in magazines and internet sites, but without it taking time or costing money. Truly unrealistic. I think if men were taught just what it takes to look good (finding clothes with the right cut, skin exfoliation, hair removal, skin care routines, makeup, hair, nails, dental care, choosing accessories, etc.) then their ideas of what high maintenance is would change.

I think the problem stems from men simply not understanding just how much work goes into beautifying yourself.
ITA! What they think is natural or "no makeup" actually requires quite a bit of it. I think men want women to look as "naturally" flawless as possible. Most don´t like heavy eye makeup or a dramatic red lip, but they like flawless smooth skin, juicy lookig lips and big, bright eyes. But to achieve that look most of us need a bit of makeup.

I remember when I was a kid and was watching movies where there was a scene with a beautiful woman waking up in the morning. I thought to myself "wow, I wished I was that beautiful when I wake up", not knowing that that actress wears tons of makeup, then the image is digitally enhanced to erase more of her "flaws".

I asked my husband about me being high maintenance, and he said sometimes he wishes he had a low maintenance wife that will go camping and hunting with him and doesn´t need over an hour to get ready to go out. But then again he likes a pretty girl, someone that turns heads in a sexy dress, and that definitely requires some maintenance and he accepts it. I´d go crazy if he was one of those guys who ask "honey, are you still not ready yet?" every 5 min!

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by internetchick View Post
I think men (who don't cross dress ) don't realize what goes into beauty. Many say they want low maintenance women, yet when a woman is then she's criticized for not putting enough effort into her appearance. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Many men want the beauty they see in magazines and internet sites, but without it taking time or costing money. Truly unrealistic. I think if men were taught just what it takes to look good (finding clothes with the right cut, skin exfoliation, hair removal, skin care routines, makeup, hair, nails, dental care, choosing accessories, etc.) then their ideas of what high maintenance is would change.

I think the problem stems from men simply not understanding just how much work goes into beautifying yourself.

EXACTLY!! Men kill me with that women don't need or shouldn't put on makeup crap. Talking about they want a natural woman but quickly runs to the woman who is made up from head to toe.
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 07:52 PM

Oh they love to say they hate 'fake' girls! For me it always sounds like they try to make us beleive they can tell the difference. The truth is, they almost never do

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by internetchick View Post
I think men (who don't cross dress ) don't realize what goes into beauty. Many say they want low maintenance women, yet when a woman is then she's criticized for not putting enough effort into her appearance. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Many men want the beauty they see in magazines and internet sites, but without it taking time or costing money. Truly unrealistic. I think if men were taught just what it takes to look good (finding clothes with the right cut, skin exfoliation, hair removal, skin care routines, makeup, hair, nails, dental care, choosing accessories, etc.) then their ideas of what high maintenance is would change.

I think the problem stems from men simply not understanding just how much work goes into beautifying yourself.
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 09:46 PM

haha well hey, the ones who crossdress at least have an appreciation for the effort XP Though my boyfriend does keep telling me I can practice makeup on him.......maybe I should go ahead and take him up on that offer so he can see XD.

I'll also agree that a lot of the problem is most men probably don't even know how far from natural all these so called 'natural women' they like are. I'll admit in the past I've pretty much kicked out my boyfriend while I was doing makeup because I didn't want him to sit there and see me steadily growing better looking then I really am lol, but maybe guys should be made to sit around and watch (or join in) for educational purposes.

I think the main thing that bothers me though is that women already have unreasonable expectations on how they should look even with every beauty treatment available, and then you have all these guys having unreasonable expectations WITHOUT help......give us a break guys =P Also.....because it's completely untrue. Rage about girls with fake boobs and caked on makeup, yet girls like that are still somehow the most popular/effective type when marketing sex appeal to guys. Also LOL ModVampire so true.......for how much men rant about fake they really don't seem like they can tell the difference anyways.

Guys just seem to have a lot of weird habits like this, I just hang around to many men I guess X_x The other one that annoys me is how they sit around and talk about all these extremely attractive celebrities/models and say things like, "pshh she's a dog, I would not do her." I think somehow it's a masculinity boost to pretend to turn down girls they would never have a chance with anyways lol

I think if I ever was with a guy like this (my boyfriend has said the whole 'I don't like girls who look like plastic' thing, but he's actually cool with me no matter how dressed up/down I look) I'd be sure to take him up on the whole natural thing.........goodbye razor :P

#Post 9 of 64 OFFLINE   Chaeli

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 09:53 PM

Very true. On a differant note, as marketers have a well worn road with high maintenance women, there are brand new highways being paved geared towards men now. In time it will be women deciding whether or not they want to be with a high maintenanced man. lol
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#Post 10 of 64 OFFLINE   Dalylah

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 09:53 PM

An afterthought...

Prolly half the men I have known are metros anyways so they are starting to understand about the time spent. Obviously not to the level most women do but a little more.

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 10:59 PM

my guy hates fake tits fake tans and fake personality luckly im with real tits tan naturally and i have an awesome personality so he says

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Posted 28 February 2010 - 11:44 PM

I think it all boils down to men not knowing what they really want. =]

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Karren View Post


Lol! Thanks L! I feel so much like a fake "fake woman".. Sigh...


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Posted 01 March 2010 - 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by kabuki_killer View Post
I think it all boils down to men not knowing what they really want. =]
I totally agree!!

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 11:31 AM

I think it's because men don't know what's realistic and what's photoshopped. Maybe we should invite them more often in the bathroom, show them how that works. I also bet most men don't know there are several kinds of bras.

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Posted 02 March 2010 - 06:07 PM

my ex boyfriend had a thing against push up bras but i was like he wasnt going to know anyways so he could shut up and stop talkin, but he was a real jerk and didnt like me wearin makeup or anything

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Posted 02 March 2010 - 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by internetchick View Post
I think men (who don't cross dress ) don't realize what goes into beauty. Many say they want low maintenance women, yet when a woman is then she's criticized for not putting enough effort into her appearance. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Many men want the beauty they see in magazines and internet sites, but without it taking time or costing money. Truly unrealistic. I think if men were taught just what it takes to look good (finding clothes with the right cut, skin exfoliation, hair removal, skin care routines, makeup, hair, nails, dental care, choosing accessories, etc.) then their ideas of what high maintenance is would change.

I think the problem stems from men simply not understanding just how much work goes into beautifying yourself.
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Posted 02 March 2010 - 08:25 PM

I'm a guy and I'm all about non-fake girls. And I don't cross-dress

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 12:55 PM

It's a fact that people are drawn to certain aspects of beauty because it indicates "health" and "reproductive ability." Clear skin, bright eyes, physical maturity, smaller waist , etc in women are good indicators of reproductive health- so we women have learned to help ourselves by using makeup and push-up bras to achieve the more ideal form. Men may complain about it but it's obvious they prefer "fake" to the real thing for the most part, otherwise these things wouldn't work to attract attention.
Women don't base attraction on just physical- I remember watching a program and they showed women pictures of men and had them rate "how attractive is this guy." One was just photos and then another group also had information like income. The guys with a high incomes suddenly became more attractive. LOL

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Posted 03 March 2010 - 01:20 PM

Interesting topic. I think it all comes down to the particular guy. Some guys want some eye candy on their arm and they don't care if she has fake breasts, extensions, tons of plastic surgery, dumb as dirt or whatever.

Some guys will pick up on the fact that the boobs look too fake or there is too much overdone makeup and claim they don't want a "fake woman".

Finally there are guys that they feel compatible with on an emotional, physical and intellectual level. They can find beauty in their partner and then that is all that matters.

I found the inclusion of CDs to be interesting too. and you know what the same rules apply! there are CDs that will go way over the top with their clothes, makeup and appearance to the best of their ability. Others will try a more restrained attempt at emulating real naturally looking women. CDs more than other guys do have an appreciation of what goes into getting the desired look.