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View Poll Results: Should the 5 Year Old Autistic Child have been asked to Leave for Disruption?
Yes definitely if it is impacting so many other kids 2 12.50%
No he deserves an education too 12 75.00%
I don't know 2 12.50%
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Old 05-28-2008, 05:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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5 Year Old Autistic Child Voted Out of Class

so what do you think, if the child is disruptive, should he be asked to leave?
Boy still stinging from class vote-out
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By CARA FITZPATRICK
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, May 27, 2008

PORT ST. LUCIE — Alex Barton, a 5-year-old boy with a cherubic face and neat blond hair, hasn't forgotten what happened last week in his classroom at Morningside Elementary.
His mother, Melissa Barton, can't forget, either.

Alex, who his mother says has been diagnosed with autism, was instructed by teacher Wendy Portillo to stand in front of the class on Wednesday and listen as other students described what they disliked about him, according to a police report.

Portillo then asked the students to vote on whether he should stay in class. The class voted 14-2 for him to leave.

"That anyone would do that to a child, it's just sickening," Barton said.
The incident, reported in local and national media, prompted outrage and condemnation from parents, community members and professionals who work with disabled children. Some have asked whether the incident is indicative of a greater problem in understanding how best to work with disabled children, while others say such behavior would have been damaging to any child.

"I would first ask the question of whether that teacher was trained as a teacher," said Jack Scott, director of Florida Atlantic University's Center for Autism and Related Disabilities. "There's really no excuse for this."
Superintendent Michael Lannon told the school board Tuesday that he has received more than 300 e-mails about the incident and that Morningside Principal Marcia Cully has received about 700.

He mentioned the incident briefly in his report to the board and noted that Portillo, a teacher at Morningside for nine years, should be considered innocent until she had admitted otherwise or been found guilty by officials.
Portillo was removed from the classroom Tuesday and will remain at the St. Lucie County School District's offices until school officials conclude an investigation. Such investigations typically take two weeks, said Janice Karst, a district spokeswoman.

Portillo, who began teaching in St. Lucie County in 1995, has never had a poor teaching evaluation. Pauline Hebb, former principal of Morningside, described her as "wonderful" and "caring" and said she was an asset to the school, according to Portillo's personnel file.

Barton said she received word from a private psychiatrist Tuesday that her son had been diagnosed with autism.

Children with autistic disorders range widely in terms of intelligence and behavior, but the disorder is often marked by difficulty relating to others and forming relationships, and by repetitive behavior.

Teachers often aren't given any special training to deal with autistic students until a child in their class has been identified as having a disability, said Bill Tomlinson, the district's director of special education.
FAU's Scott said some teachers come into the profession with very little training in handling special education issues, while others are career changers. He noted, too, that an emphasis on security within schools can lead to a tendency to punish rather than support special needs students.
"You don't punish them into being better," he said.

Barton said her son displayed behavior as a toddler that made her wonder whether he had autism. It wasn't until he reached school age, though, that he began to undergo evaluations.
Alex is smart, she said, but often chews on paper, the leather seats in the family car and anything else he can touch, she said. That behavior has been noticed by his classmates.

So it was all the more difficult to understand why his teacher would single him out in front of his peers, she said.
"He keeps saying, 'I'm not special' and 'Everybody hates me,' " she said. "He thinks it's not OK to be different and that's the opposite of what we've taught him."

Alex has not returned to Morningside since the incident, and Barton said she is unsure what she will do for school placement next year.

Scott said Portillo's actions would have been damaging to any child, but would be devastating to a child who already has a hard time making friends.
"How will this child be able to return to this class, to the school?" he said. "It's so tough for them to interact with kids and now you throw a thing like this into the mix."

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Old 05-28-2008, 05:28 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: 5 Year Old Autistic Child Voted Out of Class

I read this article and having a 5 yr old Kindergartener myself this made me sick... that poor child!
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Re: 5 Year Old Autistic Child Voted Out of Class

This makes me sick, that is apalling, that teacher needs to be shot.
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Old 05-28-2008, 04:28 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: 5 Year Old Autistic Child Voted Out of Class

This makes my stomach churn!!!!!!!!!
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Re: 5 Year Old Autistic Child Voted Out of Class

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I read this article and having a 5 yr old Kindergartener myself this made me sick... that poor child!
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Re: 5 Year Old Autistic Child Voted Out of Class

poor kid !
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Re: 5 Year Old Autistic Child Voted Out of Class

that teacher needs to be beaten and then voted out of humanity.
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Re: 5 Year Old Autistic Child Voted Out of Class

Wow. That is so messed up on so many levels. Who the hell does she think she is?
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Re: 5 Year Old Autistic Child Voted Out of Class

They need to fire the teacher. That kind of treatment would traumatize an adult let alone a child. and maybe she should think for herself, you don't let the kids vote.
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Re: 5 Year Old Autistic Child Voted Out of Class

Thats disgusting.
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Re: 5 Year Old Autistic Child Voted Out of Class

Ok, I'm sorry...but I personally think the people saying she needs to be beaten or shot or voted out of humanity, etc. are out of line. To be fair, it is very draining working with even one autistic child alone, let alone pairing him with a full-sized class. And keep in mind that this is a teacher who has never had a negative review until now.

Also, the child has Asberger's Syndrome, meaning there's not likely a delay in language or cognitive development found with other forms of Autism. Most likely the only distinguishing characters he has are a lack of non-verbal communication skills and an inability to empathize with his peers (as well as behaviors that may make him appear to be clumsy or that may appear odd...like eating paper).

It's quite possible this teacher was not aware of this, and just thought he was being a trouble maker!

Having said that, what she did was still wrong. I think she should receive training on how to appropriately work with children with disabilities.
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Re: 5 Year Old Autistic Child Voted Out of Class

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Ok, I'm sorry...but I personally think the people saying she needs to be beaten or shot or voted out of humanity, etc. are out of line. To be fair, it is very draining working with even one autistic child alone, let alone pairing him with a full-sized class. And keep in mind that this is a teacher who has never had a negative review until now.

Also, the child has Asberger's Syndrome, meaning there's not likely a delay in language or cognitive development found with other forms of Autism. Most likely the only distinguishing characters he has are a lack of non-verbal communication skills and an inability to empathize with his peers (as well as behaviors that may make him appear to be clumsy or that may appear odd...like eating paper).

It's quite possible this teacher was not aware of this, and just thought he was being a trouble maker!

Having said that, what she did was still wrong. I think she should receive training on how to appropriately work with children with disabilities.

I completely agree. It seems that she was not aware of his disability at the time of the incident but i still believe she chose the wrong punishment for the child, autistic or not. I would not want my son humiliated in front of his peers and see face to face that he was not wanted 14-2, in which he interprets not wanted to not being liked.
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Re: 5 Year Old Autistic Child Voted Out of Class

I discussed this with my wife who works in an elementary school. She indicated that a moderately affected autistic child will be placed into a normal classroom. This process is call mainstreaming. Normally (at least around here) an aide is provided for the autistic child and in more severe cases this may be a full time one on one.

So her feeling is before you entirely dump on the one teacher she said you would have to consider the entire situation as that one student could be so disruptive that nothing else could be done while this one child is acting out. I have heard my son mention similar things about one autistic child that was in a number of his classes previously and that one did have a full time aid! So a lot of the complaint here could be directed back to the School itself or the School District for not adequately addressing the needs of Special Education kids.

The point about doing a vote seemed inappropriate though and part of it is the teacher may have been totally unprepared for dealing with Special Education students. Not all teachers ever receive that training. Her final point is that a child with Autism can learn to function in a normal classroom environment, but not without special assistance and she felt that the way the mother was acting on all the TV interviews is she kept saying that the child was perfectly normal and that may have been far from the case. (she was on Today show i believe)
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Teachers in my opinion have it kind of rough. They have better feel a pretty strong desire to teach because i think it is difficult dealing with all those kids all day and the pay could stand to be way better. Couple that with the fact that whenever there is a problem the parents automatically think it is not their child that is not the problem and it must be something that the teacher did. You may or may not get support from your School Administration in these matters. and now on top of it you have all these stupid mandates (No Child Left Behind) that accomplish nothing and create one more test that everyone must teach to, not to mention the extra paper work it creates.
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Re: 5 Year Old Autistic Child Voted Out of Class

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I discussed this with my wife who works in an elementary school. She indicated that a moderately affected autistic child will be placed into a normal classroom. This process is call mainstreaming. Normally (at least around here) an aide is provided for the autistic child and in more severe cases this may be a full time one on one.

So her feeling is before you entirely dump on the one teacher she said you would have to consider the entire situation as that one student could be so disruptive that nothing else could be done while this one child is acting out. I have heard my son mention similar things about one autistic child that was in a number of his classes previously and that one did have a full time aid! So a lot of the complaint here could be directed back to the School itself or the School District for not adequately addressing the needs of Special Education kids.

The point about doing a vote seemed inappropriate though and part of it is the teacher may have been totally unprepared for dealing with Special Education students. Not all teachers ever receive that training. Her final point is that a child with Autism can learn to function in a normal classroom environment, but not without special assistance and she felt that the way the mother was acting on all the TV interviews is she kept saying that the child was perfectly normal and that may have been far from the case. (she was on Today show i believe)
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Teachers in my opinion have it kind of rough. They have better feel a pretty strong desire to teach because i think it is difficult dealing with all those kids all day and the pay could stand to be way better. Couple that with the fact that whenever there is a problem the parents automatically think it is not their child that is not the problem and it must be something that the teacher did. Y