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Is human morality genetic or taught?
Published by Nox
06-15-2007
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Research suggests morality is built in the brain
By SHANKAR VEDANTAM | Washington Post
May 29, 2007
Science opens new window on what it means to be good
WASHINGTON — The e-mail came from the next room.
“You gotta see this!” Jorge Moll had written. Moll and Jordan Grafman, neuroscientists at the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Md., had been scanning the brains of volunteers as they were asked to think about a scenario involving either donating a sum of money to charity or keeping it for themselves.
As Grafman read the e-mail, Moll came bursting in. The scientists stared at each other.
The results were showing that when the volunteers placed the interests of others before their own, the generosity activated a primitive part of the brain that usually lights up in response to food or sex. Altruism, the experiment suggested, was not a superior moral faculty that suppresses basic selfish urges but rather was basic to the brain, hard-wired and pleasurable.
Their 2006 finding that unselfishness can feel good lends scientific support to the admonitions of spiritual leaders such as St. Francis of Assisi, who said, “For it is in giving that we receive.” But it also is a dramatic example of the way neuroscience has begun to elbow its way into discussions about morality and has opened a new window on what it means to be good.
Grafman and others are using brain imaging and psychological experiments to study whether the brain has a built-in moral compass. The results — many of them published in recent months — are showing, unexpectedly, that many aspects of morality appear to be hard-wired in the brain, most likely the result of evolutionary processes that began in other species.
No one can say whether giraffes and lions experience moral qualms in the same way people do because no one has been inside a giraffe’s head, but it is known that animals can sacrifice their own interests: One experiment found that if each time a rat is given food, its neighbor receives an electric shock, the first rat will eventually forgo eating.
What the new research is showing is that morality has biological roots — such as the reward center in the brain that lit up in Grafman’s experiment — that have been around for a very long time.
The more researchers learn, the more it appears the foundation of morality is empathy. Being able to recognize — even experience vicariously — what another creature is going through was an important leap in the evolution of social behavior. And it is only a short step from this awareness to many human notions of right and wrong, says Jean Decety, a neuroscientist at the University of Chicago.
The research enterprise has been viewed with interest by philosophers and theologians, but already some worry that it raises troubling questions. Reducing morality and immorality to brain chemistry — rather than free will — might diminish the importance of personal responsibility. Even more important, some wonder whether the very idea of morality is somehow degraded if it turns out to be just another evolutionary tool that nature uses to help species survive and propagate.
Moral decisions can often feel like abstract intellectual challenges, but a number of experiments such as the one by Grafman have shown that emotions are central to moral thinking. In another experiment published in March, University of Southern California neuroscientist Antonio Damasio and his colleagues showed that patients with damage to an area of the brain known as the ventromedial prefrontal cortex lack the ability to feel their way to moral answers.
When confronted with moral dilemmas, the brain-damaged patients coldly came up with “end-justifies-the-means” answers. Damasio said the point was not that they reached immoral conclusions, but when confronted by a difficult issue — such as whether to shoot down a passenger plane hijacked by terrorists before it hits a major city — these patients appear to reach decisions without the anguish that afflicts those with normally functioning brains.
Such experiments have two important implications. One is that morality is not merely about the decisions people reach but also about the process by which they get there. Another implication, said Adrian Raine, a clinical neuroscientist at the University of Southern California, is that society might have to rethink how it judges immoral people.
Psychopaths often feel no empathy or remorse. Without that awareness, people relying exclusively on reasoning seem to find it harder to sort their way through moral thickets. Does that mean they should be held to different standards of accountability?
“Eventually, you are bound to get into areas that for thousands of years we have preferred to keep mystical,” said Grafman, the chief cognitive neuroscientist at the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke. “Some of the questions that are important are not just of intellectual interest, but challenging and frightening to the ways we ground our lives. We need to step very carefully.”
Joshua Greene, a Harvard neuroscientist and philosopher, said multiple experiments suggest morality arises from basic brain activities. Morality, he said, is not a brain function elevated above our baser impulses. Greene said it is not “handed down” by philosophers and clergy, but “handed up,” an outgrowth of the brain’s basic propensities.
Moral decision-making often involves competing brain networks vying for supremacy, he said. Simple moral decisions — is killing a child right or wrong? — are simple because they activate a straightforward brain response. Difficult moral decisions, by contrast, activate multiple brain regions that conflict with one another, he said.
In one 2004 brain-imaging experiment, Greene asked volunteers to imagine they were hiding in a cellar of a village as enemy soldiers came looking to kill all the inhabitants. If a baby was crying in the cellar, Greene asked, was it right to smother the child to keep the soldiers from discovering the cellar and killing everyone?
The reason people are slow to answer such an awful question, the study indicated, is that emotion-linked circuits automatically signaling that killing a baby is wrong clash with areas of the brain that involve cooler aspects of cognition. One brain region activated when people process such difficult choices is the inferior parietal lobe, which has been shown to be active in more impersonal decision-making. This part of the brain, in essence, was “arguing” with brain networks that reacted with visceral horror.
Such studies point to a pattern, Greene said, showing “competing forces that might have come online at different points in our evolutionary history. A basic emotional response is probably much older than the ability to evaluate costs and benefits.”
While one implication of such findings is that people with certain kinds of brain damage might do bad things they cannot be held responsible for, the new research could also expand the boundaries of moral responsibility. Neuroscience research, Greene said, is finally explaining a problem that has long troubled philosophers and moral teachers: Why is it that people who are willing to help someone in front of them will ignore abstract pleas for help from those who are distant, such as a request for a charitable contribution that could save the life of a child overseas?
“We evolved in a world where people in trouble right in front of you existed, so our emotions were tuned to them, whereas we didn’t face the other kind of situation,” Greene said. “It is comforting to think your moral intuitions are reliable and you can trust them. But if my analysis is right, your intuitions are not trustworthy. Once you realize why you have the intuitions you have, it puts a burden on you” to think about morality differently.”
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Re: Is human morality genetic or taught?
Holy crap that was almost too long to read!
Arguing nature vs nurture is like discussing what came first, the egg or the chicken.
Sometimes even the nicest person will commit the greatest atrosity if it makes sense at the time.
When I was in the military, I knew soldiers that were trained to kill the enemy yet they were told to always defend and protect their fellow comrades.
Parents will fight to the death for their children yet they will do anything to prevent their own child's demise.
In terms of what people are capable of, it's all relative and depend entirely on the situation.
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Aprill
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06-15-2007, 06:31 PM
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Re: Is human morality genetic or taught?
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Originally Posted by Carolyn
Holy crap that was almost too long to read!
Arguing nature vs nurture is like discussing what came first, the egg or the chicken.
Sometimes even the nicest person will commit the greatest atrosity if it makes sense at the time.
When I was in the military, I knew soldiers that were trained to kill the enemy yet they were told to always defend and protect their fellow comrades.
Parents will fight to the death for their children yet they will do anything to prevent their own child's demise.
In terms of what people are capable of, it's all relative and depend entirely on the situation.
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I agree 
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Re: Is human morality genetic or taught?
I think it's kind of taught.. like my friend is doing her mother's assignments for her uni course because she's been taught that family comes first, and that you do that for your parents.
I was taught that that's cheating, that it's wrong and that it's morally or ethically questionable.
See, that's a TAUGHT situation, not a brain thing, because to the best of my knowledge she's not mentally damaged like the people in the study  
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By
ivette
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06-16-2007, 01:05 PM
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Re: Is human morality genetic or taught?
i was watching a tv show about what makes a serial killer, a serial killler.
in other words, how does a human being get to the point where they have no regard for human life. they had these profilers, from the FBI talking about the whole thing and one of them said that its not like when you inherit your blue
eyes from a parent. its more like a combination of factors that come together.
in other words, a person can had a predisposition, but if something tramatic
happens in their formidle years of development, plus other instances(that i don't
recall)that may or may not seem significant at the time.
but here's the thing:
even if everything above happens, one may not see the effects until later in life. the studies bore out the the serial killer starts to deviate from normal behavior around the time of early to mid puberty, when many changes are happening in the human psyche of a young male.
most of the serial killers usually are white, middle-class males, between the ages of lets say 25-45, from what i understand. there are exceptions- that being aileen
wuornus and the atlanta child killer back in the early 80's- he was african american. i can't recall his name.
it was either on the history, discovery, or e- channel.
very interesting, imo
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Re: Is human morality genetic or taught?
it's interesting to see how morality makes our brain work. i think it's taught. it is a very well known fact that serial killers or rapers had, in general, a troubled, twisted and difficult childhood. usually, killers aren't "mad", they are just calculating and cunning, insensitive, cold, detached, whatever you may think of them, but in their own way, they did nothing wrong. their morality has been twisted. it's scary to think some preexisting conditions and some trigger can make a man become a serial killer, and it makes us rethink our judgements about someone's morality. for all we know, that person could legitimately think she's doing the right thing.
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With regard to women and violence, I did a research essay on the exact topic.
This is a quote from my essay:
"Law enforcement believes that it is male aggression that causes serious crime. Some theorize that a female's basic instinct is for home and security, and she is unlikely to do anything to jeopardize them.
The FBI believes that a female cannot be a serial killer because she would prey in the same location. An example might be a nurse killing her patients in the same hospital or each hospital she works at.
A male serial killer would kill indiscriminately in a variety of locations.
Another widely held definition states that a serial killer kills for sexual arousal within a specific power imbalance. Even Aileen Wuornos, who was labeled a serial kiler by the media, never had consensual sex with any of her seven victims."
Source: When She Was Bad by Patricai Pearson copyright 1997,1998
With regard to Aileen, she had an absolutely horrible life. I believe that the deaths she was charged with were as a direct result of how she was raised.
To the day she was sentenced to death, she believed that she had acted out of self defence.
Yes, initially she said she had killed with no provocation. But after her trials she has maintained the killings were in self defence.
Who I fine more interesting is Karla Homolka. She, as well as her then husband Paul Bernarda, killed her little sister, and two other young girls. She was video taped sexually assaulting all three girls. She also drugged and sexually assaulted at least one other young girl, but did not kill her. Some may know the couple as "Ken and Barbi".
In my opinion, Homolka fits the criteria of serial killer.
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Last edited by Dragonfly; 06-16-2007 at 03:10 PM..
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Re: Is human morality genetic or taught?
Such a vexing and fascinating subject:whether morality is inherent or learned...I believe it is definitely both, as such emotions as empathy show up in very young children and some animals,untaught,and will later help people try to make the "morally correct" decision...As for the biological aspect:even 70 years ago, many scientists did not believe that moods(or mood disorders,such as bipolar disorder and depression and schizophrenia)could possibly not be the result of a troubled childhood alone, and actually the result of imbalanced brain chemicals,because I think no one likes to believe we come down to a handful of chemicals,that dictate both our moods and,now,even our values....I don't believe that we fully do,except in extreme cases--the brains of serial killers have been studied and found distinctly different than "normal" brains--if even only for the simple fact of how deeply one's upbringing affects us.For instance, if one is raised to accept and respect people of all backgrounds,and different ways of life,it is more likely one will be a more acceptant, open-minded adult than if raised by narrow minded parents who preach hatred for other groups,etc.
But how frightening and challenging to think that morality--always before so abstract,like the concept of evil---can actually be linked to an injured part of the brain, in the case of those patients! Does that mean,if we all withstood such injury,all of us could coldly and remorselessly kill,no matter what our most deeply felt values? It's almost too terrifying a thought to have.
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Nox
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06-16-2007, 07:38 PM
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Re: Is human morality genetic or taught?
Reading this article got me thinking:
Where do we draw the line between people who say they have a mental disorder that causes them to do violent crimes, and those who just commit crimes in their "right mind"?
I think basic "morality" is hard-wired into various species of animals to promote order and propagation. For example, mammals like elephants and gorillas, all have a defined M.O. within their "culture". The members of these animal groups make an effort to follow these basic rules. Those members who, for whatever reason, do not follow the rules are routinely ostracized from the rest of the animal community, or punished. It has been documented over and over.
For humans, it seems like our basic rules are repeated over and over among many cultures. For example, the Ten Commandments is basically Hammarabi's Code rewritten a thousand years later. They are basic rules and principles that are the M.O. of a functioning human society. I don't think there is a self-sustaining culture on the planet that doesn't have those similar codes of conduct.
There are people who defy expectation and turn out to be decent citizens even without a "morally sound" upbringing. There are also people who turn out to be deviants, even though his/her siblings and parents are upstanding citizens. This would indicate that there are internal workings that do modulate "morality".
There is also the observation that attentative parents consistently coach young babies and children into "good behaviors" through repetition, and modeling. There are also neglectful parents who show young children "undesireable behaviors" through repetitive actions and modeling. That would indicate that there is a component of teaching.
In my mind, it's like this:
A sunflower seed can only grow up to be a sunflower. Not a rose bush, not a mustard seed, but a sunflower... it is genetically written. But a sunflower seed most likely will not grow up to be a beautiful sunflower with out the proper attendance, nourishment, and environment.
IMO, It's not nature vs. nurture. It is nature via nurture.
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Re: Is human morality genetic or taught?
From Nox: "There is also the observation that attentative parents consistently coach young babies and children into "good behaviors" through repetition, and modeling. There are also neglectful parents who show young children "undesireable behaviors" through repetitive actions and modeling. That would indicate that there is a component of teaching".
I don't dispute loving attentive parents teach good behaviour and neglectful parents instill undesireable behaviours.
But what about abusive parents? Do they teach their child to be good by hurting the child? Or does the child rebel against his/her parent and therefore rebel against society?
Why does one abused child decide to be a good member of society and another abused child turn his/her back on being socially acceptable?
Some theorize that physical abuse can actually cause permanent brain damage. Dorothy Smith, Psychiatrist, has worked with dozens of murderers on death row. After interviewing the convict, she physically examines him. She has noticed several scars that her clients have stated were from child abuse.
"Dorothy Lewis has studied serial killers for the past twenty-five years. With her collaborator, the Neurologist Jonathan Pincus, she has published a great many research papers, showing that serial killers tend to suffer from predictable patterns of psychological, physical, and neurological dysfunction: that they were almost all the victims of harrowing physical and sexual abuse as children, and that almost all of them have suffered some kind of brain injury or mental illness. "
Her work begs the question:
If the individual on death row were never abused and thus never sustained a mental illness or brain injury as a result of the abuse:
Would he have become a progressive member of society?
Would he still become rebelous and anti social?
Would he still have committed murder?
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Nox
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06-16-2007, 08:40 PM
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Re: Is human morality genetic or taught?
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Originally Posted by Carolyn
But what about abusive parents? Do they teach their child to be good by hurting the child?
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Carolyn, your entire post brings up excellent points. Though, I am only quoting one sentence to keep it neat and tidy.
Abusive parents that hit children are instilling a code of "morality" that it is okay to use physical contact to correct behavior. Morality itself is neither good, nor bad... that is, until we start assigning "values" to it.
To people who raise their children without the use of "corrective" physical force, they would say it is "bad" morality. For those who do use physical force as a teaching tool, they may justify it by saying, that they were brought up the same way and they themselves turned out "morally good".
I guess it begs the question then, "what is abuse" and what is merely "corrective behavior"?
It seems like each individual state in the USA and Canada have pretty defined laws for what constitutes abuse. It seems to be a general consensus that any action (spoken, done, or written) that can hamper the physical, mental, emotional wellbeing of a person, would constitute abuse. But then there are parents who swear up and down all day long about how their corporate punishment solidifies a good moral compass in their children. Harsh physical punishment no doubt causes some individuals to have what people would call a "warped" sense of good morality. But I believe that their are individuals out there who may have grown up with similar circumstances, that turn out genuinely "good" in the eyes of general society.
How do we account for this divergence?
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Re: Is human morality genetic or taught?
I think its all nurture.
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Re: Is human morality genetic or taught?
From Nox: "I guess it begs the question then, "what is abuse" and what is merely "corrective behavior"?"
When I refer to complex post traumatic stress disorder or complex ptsd, I am refering to physical, mental, emotional, sexual and neglectful abuse that is severe and may be on going. Examples include a battered woman or a child exposed to sexual abuse or a child being beaten in the name of discipline
or a soldier exposed to wartime stresses.
I have come across a few articles that discuss complex ptsd.
PTSD and female soldiers.
Females are 3 times more likely to suffer from ptsd than men.
Female soldiers serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, developed ptsd through combat, a natural disaster or a rape.
Of the 284 participants, 70% said they had suffered sexual trauma in the military.
Symptoms of PTSD include terrifying flashbacks and nightmares and can lead to debilitating mental problems such as delusions, depression and avoidance behaviours.
The article didn't give any information regarding men and ptsd.
Genes and experiences determine a person's ability to bounce back.
Boston - Long term studies of child development indicate that some people remain psychologically healthy despite years of severe deprivation and trauma. Researchers are now studying the characteristics and circumstances surrounding the ability to endure stress and bounce back. - a quality they call resililence, reports the December 2006 issue of the Harvard Mental Health Letter.
Adapting to stress is a complex process that in volves many interacting influences. Social and family environment have received most of the attention, but advances in genetics, psychopharmacology,and brain imaging now permit closer study of the biological underpinnings of resilience.
A promising line of research involves interactions between early experience and genetically determined neurobiology. Low leves of monoamine oxidase A (MAO-A), an enzyme that breaks down several neurotransmitters, have been linked to aggression in mice and humans. The gene that produces this enzyme has short and long forms, and the short form is less efficient. In a long term study in New Zealand, maltreated boys with short genes were more likely than those with the long variant to commit violent crimes and to score high on measures of aggressive tendencies.
If the neurochemicals are important, then so are the brain circuits in which they operate. Using brain imaging and other techniques, researchers are now looking at how the brain's structure and function, as well as a person's cognitive and neuropsychological characteristics, are linked to resiliience.
The third study I wanted to mention was done through by the:
Public Health, Grey Bruce Health Unit, in Owen sound Ontario.
They are pushing for an absolute ban on spanking.
Their studies have shown that spankings reduce a child's self esteem, self confidence and self worth.
What may be more interesting is that the stress of the spankings affects the development of the child's brain. As a result, the cognitive skills of the child suffer.
My point to all three of these examples is to demonstrate that individuals exposed to trauma can infact have their cognitive abilities impaired.
And that is only from a psychological perspective.
Now what about the child that gets struck in the head and develops a brain injury as a result - potentially causes developmental delays.
Combining either poor parenting or authoritative parenting, which the child rebels from - this is definitely a nature/nurture.
But the trauma endured was not nature - would fall under the nurture of the parent.
The head injuries were not nature - would fall under the nurture of the parent.
And the poor parenting would definately fall under nurture.
But it still begs the question, if the child were not exposed to any trauma and they were never physically assualted, would they still turn out to be a killer?
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Re: Is human morality genetic or taught?
I believe it's impossible to say one or the other. But to a large extent, I believe it is taught. What was considered completely OK 50 or 100 years ago is seen as immoral today.
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Re: Is human morality genetic or taught?
I should have mentioned that a pyschologist or psychiatrist must diagnose the individual with complex ptsd.
Ptsd seems to be one of those catch phrases that people like to label themselves, or others. As a result, it seems to lose it's credibility.
The reality is that individuals suffering from complex ptsd can have such sever symptoms that they micmic those of Scizophrenia, Bipolor and Borderline Personality Disorder.
And according to the National Centre for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, 61 % of American men will be exposed to a traumatic event in their lives. 5% will develope ptsd at one point in their lives.
And 17% of Iraq war veterans suffer from ptsd, anxiety or depression.
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Re: Is human morality genetic or taught?
I think your obviously taught morals but it's up to you whether or not to choose to live with them. Like almost everyone is taught drugs are bad, you should do your best in school, or that breaking the law is wrong---but ultimately it's up to the child to decide if they want to abide by certain morals or not.
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Re: Is human morality genetic or taught?
we all have a consience, which I believe comes from God...
but we also are born with a "sin nature"- which explains all the crime that happens, etc. ..what we are taught will then influence what we choose to act on
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