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Old 02-18-2009, 08:25 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Las Vegas and Detroit top America's Emptiest Cities List.

For decades, Las Vegas, ripe with new construction and economic development, burgeoned into a shimmering urban carnival. Detroit, once the fulcrum of American industry, sagged and rusted under its own weightThese days, it's the worst of times for both.

Las Vegas edged Detroit for the title of America's most abandoned city. Atlanta came in third, followed by Greensboro, N.C., and Dayton, Ohio. Our rankings, a combination of rental and homeowner vacancy rates for the 75 largest metropolitan statistical areas in the country, are based on fourth-quarter data released Feb. 3 by the Census Bureau. Each was ranked on rental vacancies and housing vacancies; the final ranking is an average of the two.

Cities like Detroit and Dayton are casualties of America's lengthy industrial decline. Others, like Las Vegas and Orlando, are mostly victims of the recent housing bust. Boston and New York are among the lone bright spots, while Honolulu is the nation's best with a vacancy rate of 5.8% for homes and a scant 0.5% for rentals.

Still, empty neighborhoods are becoming an increasingly daunting problem across the country. The national rental vacancy rate now stands at 10.1%, up from 9.6% a year ago; homeowner vacancy has edged up from 2.8% to 2.9%. Richmond, Va.'s rental vacancy rate of 23.7% is the worst in America, while Orlando's 7.4% rate is lousiest on the homeowner side. Detroit and Las Vegas are among the worst offenders by both measures--the Motor City sports vacancy rates of 19.9% for rentals and 4% for homes; Sin City has rates of 16% and 4.7%, respectively.

"It's a mess," says Vegas developer Laurence Hallier. "Right now, things are just frozen. Everybody's scared."

Hallier, 40, knows from experience. His $600 million Panorama Towers complex was a tremendous success at its inception three years ago. The first of his four planned residential skyscrapers sold out in six months; the second, which opened in 2007, sold out in 12 weeks. As the third tower neared completion last fall, Hallier had sold 92% of its units. Then the recession hit, and only half the units ended up closing. Hallier says it will take years to break even, and plans for the fourth tower have been delayed indefinitely.

There are others who've made--and lost--far worse gambles on Vegas property. In 2007, Israeli billionaire Yitzhak Tshuva and partner Nochi Dankner paid $1.25 billion to buy a 34.5-acre site on the Strip, with plans to build an $8 billion mega-casino modeled after New York's Plaza Hotel. By November, the value of the lot had plummeted to $650 million--half what they paid for it. Groundbreaking on the casino has been pushed back to 2010, and today, the land may be worth less than the $625 million Tshuva and Dankner borrowed to buy it.

The Plaza debacle is emblematic of the problems afflicting millions of property owners in Vegas and around the country--and can explain, in large part, the origins of America's housing crisis.

As real estate prices skyrocketed during the boom, consumers took out massive loans to buy homes, assuming values would continue to rise. Instead they took a nosedive, especially in places like Las Vegas, Florida and Phoenix, where the housing boom had created excess inventory and so-called "bad loans" were rampant. Many homeowners suddenly found themselves with properties worth far less than the mortgages they'd taken out. In the worst cases, banks foreclosed, leaving people without homes--and with more debt than they'd had to begin with.

The situation in places like Las Vegas is bad enough, but Detroit's problems run much deeper. Though its vacancy rates are marginally better than Sin City's, Motown has been on the empty side for decades. An industrial boomtown during the first half of the 20th century, Detroit's population swelled from 285,000 in 1900 to 990,000 in 1920, reaching a peak of 1.8 million in 1950.

But starting in the 1960s, Detroit began a precipitous decline. Detroit's population is now 900,000--half what it was in the middle of the century--and many of its neighborhoods languish in varying states of decay. Most scholars blame rapid suburbanization, outsourcing of manufacturing jobs, and federal programs they say exacerbated the situation by creating a culture of joblessness and dependency.

Yet after more than half a century, countless scholars, politicians, community organizers developers and nonprofit workers have been unable to come up with a solution to fix Detroit.

Will Las Vegas eventually suffer the same fate?

"I don't think Vegas is overbuilt," says Hallier. "Despite what everybody says, Vegas still has 2 million people."

Time will tell if this sort of optimism is warranted. Cynics who've witnessed Detroit's decline might liken Hallier's opinions to another ****ens oeuvre: Great Expectations.

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Re: Las Vegas and Detroit top America's Emptiest Cities List.

When most people think Las Vegas, they don't think of it as a place to live, its more of a place you go for a few days to party and gamble
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Re: Las Vegas and Detroit top America's Emptiest Cities List.

Lol. I think of Vegas as a large watering hole in the middle of the stinkin desert! I never understood wanting to live somewhere where there is no water! Like playing ice hockey where ice doesn't form naturally!!
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Re: Las Vegas and Detroit top America's Emptiest Cities List.

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Lol. I think of Vegas as a large watering hole in the middle of the stinkin desert! I never understood wanting to live somewhere where there is no water! Like playing ice hockey where ice doesn't form naturally!!
LOL well hello LA Kings, TB Lightening and Florida Panthers!
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LOL well hello LA Kings, TB Lightening and Florida Panthers!

You mean Goodbye!! lol Dont forget the Phenoix Cyotes!! and with global warming maybe Dallas... San Jose and the Ducks!!

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You me Goodbye!! lol Dont forget the Phenoix Cyotes!! and with global warming maybe Dallas... San Jose and the Ducks!!
Damn those Ducks...I always forget them! I'm a Leafs girl..where Ice forms a plenty naturally!
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I'm a Leafs girl..where Ice forms a plenty naturally!
I'm sorry!! You and Carolynn (Dragonfly) can console eachother.. The leafs are playing as bad as the Penguins.. And since Matts Sundin left! Why did he leave any way?
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I'm sorry!! You and Carolynn (Dragonfly) can console eachother.. The leafs are playing as bad as the Penguins.. And since Matts Sundin left! Why did he leave any way?
They screwed him over last year....so this year to pay them back he was still offically the captain until the trade to vancouver but never played a single game! I lost interest when Mats was traded, I don't even know if we have a captain now...maybe Kaberle? Who knows (who am i kidding? you probably do! lol)
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We can lend you Sidney? lol He's not doing much right now... I listent to NHL Home Ice on XM all day.. plus I get to go play in our first playoof game of the season tonight... 10:10 puck drops.. I'm still tired from last Saturday night's game... Got creamed by the goalie.. he got a penalty out of it.. I ended up in a heap on the ice behind the net when I tried to cut in on him and he tripped me... lol
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We can lend you Sidney? lol He's not doing much right now... I listent to NHL Home Ice on XM all day.. plus I get to go play in our first playoof game of the season tonight... 10:10 puck drops.. I'm still tired from last Saturday night's game... Got creamed by the goalie.. he got a penalty out of it.. I ended up in a heap on the ice behind the net when I tried to cut in on him and he tripped me... lol
I detect a penalty? Its okay, you keep Sidney...we dont really want him!
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Throw in Malkin!!!
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When most people think Las Vegas, they don't think of it as a place to live, its more of a place you go for a few days to party and gamble
I agree. Anyways, I really don't know how anyone could live there! It gets so hot in the summer, it's unbearable! Last time I went the thermometer climbed up to 122 degrees!!!!
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Re: Las Vegas and Detroit top America's Emptiest Cities List.

Vegas sucks. Lived there for 10 years and I am GLAD I left. Hate it.
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Re: Las Vegas and Detroit top America's Emptiest Cities List.

i agree with the comments on Vegas. i could never understand how it got overgrown and over built.

Detroit seems wrapped up in the plight of the auto industry. and Greensboro NC well the textile industry has been dying for the last 30 years.

Some of these places never changed with the times.
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