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Connecticut Elementary School Shooting

post #1 of 53
Thread Starter 

omg I just heard.

 

I hope none of your children or anyone you knew were involved...Prayers and thoughts to the families affected.

 

A gunman entered an elementary school where his mother was a kindergarten teacher with a semi-automatic weapon (actually sounds like 3 weapons) and a bullet proof vest, and killed his mother and her classroom and went into a second classroom and shot everyone there too before killing himself.  26 dead so far...initial reports said that only 3 were taken to the hospital, but most of the victims were already dead when help arrived.

post #2 of 53
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/us/connecticut-school-shooting/index.html

post #3 of 53

According to current news reports he had ODD and Aspergers so the media has been saying that played a factor. I'm sorry but both those conditions have nothing to do with what he did. Obviously he had some kind of mental health issue but ODD nor Aspergers would cause a person to snap and go off and kill people much less children.

 

What pisses me off about this situation was the killing of 18 innocent children. I have three boys in elementary school and this morning when I heard about the shooting I was ready not to send them to school despite the fact this happened across the country. Why kill the children? He killed his father (so media outlets are reporting, it may or may not be his father) then went to the school to kill his mom. Fine, kill your parents but why the children what did those babies do to him? The children had nothing to do with anything so why them? I can't imagine the horror or pain those parents or any siblings those children had will go through or even the horror children at that school will now have to live with for the rest of their lives.

 

Those poor babies. Only five and six-years-old!

post #4 of 53

My heart hurts :(  Prayers to all those affected.

 

We had a mass shooting at our mall 2 days ago which has been devastating. To hear about this so soon after is heart wrenching. I just don't understand people.


Edited by Souly - 12/14/12 at 3:28pm
post #5 of 53

I have no words.

post #6 of 53

This is really horrifying beyond my ability to comprehend.  My heart goes out to all the family and friends that have been effected by this.

post #7 of 53

I've been at loss for words all day long. I can't imagine the type of mental trauma the children who survived are going to experience forever. 

post #8 of 53

I've been watching the footage of this for most of the day. As a mother this has brought me to tears, as a citizen it outrages me. Much love and many prayers sent up for those involved or touched by this.

post #9 of 53

This is just absolutely heartbreaking. I just can't imagine. :( Poor babies, poor families.

post #10 of 53

hi all i live in uk and this has been on our news all day also... when i heard of this happening i felt sad and upset for those poor children and their familys and friends .. i just don't know what kind of person could even contemplate doing something like this.. love to everyone involved xoxo 

post #11 of 53

I am getting tired of seeing these kind of news reports..these disgusting acts of terror and horror where people who "snap" or whatever...they are just plain EVIL!! To make the decision to go out and not only murder friends or family members, but peers and absolute strangers who's only offense is to exist. From Columbine to the Aurora shootings to the other shooting reported in the mall at Clackamas, OR to this atrocity. A person must lack all humanity and any kind of decency to do something like this..they're not people with real feelings, but monsters.

post #12 of 53

CNN is reporting now that Adam Lanza killed his mother in his residence before going to the school and opening fire. Since we know now that the mother was not at the school teaching, it raises the question, why were those particular classrooms targeted? Also, the guns in his possession were registered to his mother.

 

President Obama wept while delivering his address regarding the situation....what a sad day. 

post #13 of 53

This is really a sad story. frown.gif One of my friends from San Diego just found out an hour ago that her niece was one of the kids killed in that tragedy. Everybody is sad. Even my friends from the Philippines know about the incidence and the whole world is weeping. May their souls be comforted.

post #14 of 53
I am so sad and full of grief for the families who lost anyone and especially anyone who lost a child. I can't imagine if anything ever happened to my child.
post #15 of 53

Yes, very sad.  I have young children. We all said a prayer tonight at our dinner table about how the streets of heaven are too crowded(right now) with little feet of angels.

post #16 of 53

When I heard about this in the morning it literally broke my heart. When I saw Obama tear up in his speech it made me cry, those poor innocent children, my prayers go out to the families. I cant imagine why someone would not feel anything looking at those poor children, stuff like this disgusts me. :(

post #17 of 53

Just one more reason to impose gun control. Watching parents go through this horror makes my heart hurt so much for them.

post #18 of 53

This is truly a very sad day....the children. 

 

One thing to remember, though.....guns don't kill people, people kill people..just saying

post #19 of 53
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This is truly a very sad day....the children. 

 

One thing to remember, though.....guns don't kill people, people kill people..just saying

Yep. Even if there were stricter gun laws, criminals don't follow laws. That's what makes them criminals.

post #20 of 53
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Yep. Even if there were stricter gun laws, criminals don't follow laws. That's what makes them criminals.


Hi Brittney.  Unfortunately, you are correct.

post #21 of 53
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Yep. Even if there were stricter gun laws, criminals don't follow laws. That's what makes them criminals.

 

True, but you can only do so much damage with a pistol or shot gun before authorities or good samaritans intervene. There's no reason anyone needs a semi-automatic of any kind. The damage in CT could have been limited...but instead we have 26 people dead. 

post #22 of 53
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True, but you can only do so much damage with a pistol or shot gun before authorities or good samaritans intervene. There's no reason anyone needs a semi-automatic of any kind. The damage in CT could have been limited...but instead we have 26 people dead. 

I agree that no one really has any business owning guns like that, but whether they're illegal or not, people will still be able to get ahold of them. 

post #23 of 53
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Yep. Even if there were stricter gun laws, criminals don't follow laws. That's what makes them criminals.

 

Except in his case these were his mother's legal guns.

 

The fact is this, it's not gun control we need to worry about but rather the fact that the US does NOT have a GOOD mental health system in place. People with mental illnesses are NOT required to take medication or seek professional help. When people who have mental illnesses go off their meds there is NOTHING ANYONE can do UNTIL that person either harms someone else OR him/herself. Funding for mental health programs for CHILDREN are cut back and for adults there really isn't anything in place. Locally the ONLY mental health facility for children closed down over a year ago so now children with mental health problems have to be sent to Seattle or Spokane and MAY possibly be seen there IF room is available at the mental hospitals there. For adults there are no places in many locations and in others the facilities are full or for whatever reason can't help.

 

Personally the discussion of gun control is a moot point and the focus the government should take should be on mental health and doing something about those with mental health problems BEFORE something horrible like the shooting at the school today or at the mall the other day or at the movie theater last month or the grocery store last year.

post #24 of 53
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True, but you can only do so much damage with a pistol or shot gun before authorities or good samaritans intervene. There's no reason anyone needs a semi-automatic of any kind. The damage in CT could have been limited...but instead we have 26 people dead. 


I couldn't agree more. Our forefathers were loading muskets when they wrote that. They didn't forsee the mess. If those legal guns hadn't been in that house it would have been a lot harder for him to do this to them and to himself.

 

Also, I do agree with Zadi about mental health. We need to help our youth unwind themselves when things aren't right. This young man had his problems but he was an honor student and not exactly pegged to turn out as the criminal type. Obviously he will be picked apart because something was broken inside of him. I guess my point is we all have our flaws that could make us seem unstable at points in our life, there isn't always something that gives a big warning.

 

"He was an honors student who lived in a prosperous neighborhood with his mother, who liked to host dice games and decorate the house for the holidays." Source

 

I watched most of the day and listened to the police scanner. It is just heartbreaking. So much life wasted.

post #25 of 53
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Also, I do agree with Zadi about mental health. We need to help our youth unwind themselves when things aren't right. This young man had his problems but he was an honor student and not exactly pegged to turn out as the criminal type. Obviously he will be picked apart because something was broken inside of him. I guess my point is we all have our flaws that could make us seem unstable at points in our life, there isn't always something that gives a big warning.

 

"He was an honors student who lived in a prosperous neighborhood with his mother, who liked to host dice games and decorate the house for the holidays." Source

 

I watched most of the day and listened to the police scanner. It is just heartbreaking. So much life wasted.

 

According to some media outlets who have spoken to family members apparently he had ODD which is Oppositional Defiant Disorder. If he had bipolar (mood disorder) coupled with ODD then yes he was a ticking time bomb regardless of how good of a student he was. When on medication the person is normal but when off... speaking from experience seeing this in another person... the person's mood will go from happy to sad to a rage and in that rage the person is not thinking clearly.

post #26 of 53
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I couldn't agree more. Our forefathers were loading muskets when they wrote that. They didn't forsee the mess. If those legal guns hadn't been in that house it would have been a lot harder for him to do this to them and to himself.

 

Also, I do agree with Zadi about mental health. We need to help our youth unwind themselves when things aren't right. This young man had his problems but he was an honor student and not exactly pegged to turn out as the criminal type. Obviously he will be picked apart because something was broken inside of him. I guess my point is we all have our flaws that could make us seem unstable at points in our life, there isn't always something that gives a big warning.

 

"He was an honors student who lived in a prosperous neighborhood with his mother, who liked to host dice games and decorate the house for the holidays." Source

 

I watched most of the day and listened to the police scanner. It is just heartbreaking. So much life wasted.

 

I don't quite get why a kindergarten teacher who liked to host dice games and decorate the house for the holidays had a semi-automatic weapon laying around?  That seems very odd to me...

post #27 of 53

It's been on the news in my country too. It's a very sad event.

 

On the subject of guns, obviously this is a major cultural difference, but i will say that to me, having a gun at home is not something i consider sane. We can try to rebuild the world with our theories about guns but i think when someone wants to do damage, the tool doesn't really matter.

post #28 of 53
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This is truly a very sad day....the children. 

 

One thing to remember, though.....guns don't kill people, people kill people..just saying


I understand the point that the gun didn't make the choice to kill.  However yesterday in China, there was a very similar attack in an elementary school.  But the guy just had a knife rather than a semi-automatic weapon with hollow-point bullets.  22 kids and 1 adult injured, but none dead.  (Not to make light of the China tragedy in any way, of course.)

 

ETA - Just to mention, I'm not one who believes no one should be able to have guns.  Just that there are certain types of weapons that shouldn't be available to everyone, and it should be a bit harder to get a gun than it is to get a decongestant.

post #29 of 53
Concerning guns, most criminals aren't obtaining them legally. Stricter gun control makes it harder for law abiding citizens to obtain them and potentially defend themselves. Besides, a person can make any item a weapon. Because there may be a large number of stabbings, should we outlaw knives and other sharp objects? If there should be legislature initiated and passed, it should start with harsher penalties and not giving plea options in exchange for lesser sentences. Do the crime, pay the time. Especially in America, our judicial system seems happy to roll over and merely slap wrists in exchange for snitches or plea bargains. Allowing X amount of appeals, tying up the courts, taxpayers money, lawyers time... Now we want to be sensitive and "rehab" people, when they commit crimes like murder, rape... It's just crazy. Am I the only person who believes you should possibly lose most if not all rights when you take it upon yourself to murder innocents?
post #30 of 53

This shooting was truly sad.

 

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Originally Posted by BrittneyMarie View Post

Yep. Even if there were stricter gun laws, criminals don't follow laws. That's what makes them criminals.

 

Except in his case these were his mother's legal guns.

 

The fact is this, it's not gun control we need to worry about but rather the fact that the US does NOT have a GOOD mental health system in place. People with mental illnesses are NOT required to take medication or seek professional help. When people who have mental illnesses go off their meds there is NOTHING ANYONE can do UNTIL that person either harms someone else OR him/herself. Funding for mental health programs for CHILDREN are cut back and for adults there really isn't anything in place. Locally the ONLY mental health facility for children closed down over a year ago so now children with mental health problems have to be sent to Seattle or Spokane and MAY possibly be seen there IF room is available at the mental hospitals there. For adults there are no places in many locations and in others the facilities are full or for whatever reason can't help.

 

Personally the discussion of gun control is a moot point and the focus the government should take should be on mental health and doing something about those with mental health problems BEFORE something horrible like the shooting at the school today or at the mall the other day or at the movie theater last month or the grocery store last year.

 

 

THIS. Fortunately, AZ medicaid is pretty good about mental health.

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