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Be A Bombshell. I have not seen any Hikari products in there. My friend is a designer for them and travels all over the world for "inspiration" so I know they design their own products, components, name colors, etc. She has worked for them for a long time and loves it there. I do not think they are a private label company since they design everything.

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So Hikari and BaB are owned by the same people then. You're saying BaB owns the whole block and that block is listed on Hikari's site as their store front. Or are you saying they're different companies? I don't see what the big deal for a company to disclose if they're associated with or owned by the same people/group. We all know that Pixi Beauty is owned by the same company that own POP Beauty and it's not a complete secret but BaB and Hikari seem to hide it.

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It seemed like every month there was some drama about things smelling rancid, exploding or just not working properly. After November I quit ipsy and got a second birchbox. While I might not love getting itty bitty lorde and berry eye liner pencils, I never worried about getting an eye infection from a Birchbox product. 

 

Funnily enough, I got my Lord & Berry pencil from Ipsy! lol. 

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Here's something else that's funny. Now that I reported that BaB's address is residential someone updated their address on their site because now it's showing as the business address for Hikari. Since it's a business front now sharing the address is no longer restricted.

 

Be A Bombshell Cosmetics

C/O Customer Service

240 Union St

Jonesboro, AR 72401

 

Hikari Cosmetics

240 Union St.

Jonesboro, AR 72401

 

http://beabombshellcosmetics.com/contact/ (a cached page shows the old address)

http://www.hikaricosmetics.com/contact/

 

According to the domain info, Hikari's domain address is the same address as Be A Bombshell's residential address. So since BaB shares the same business address as Hikari and the domain registration for Hikari is the same as BaB residential it's obvious they're the same company.

 

We also know for a fact that the products are made in China. We all think it's made by a Chinese PLM.

 

 

I love researching stuff like this - definitely same company and same product. Read to the bottom of this: http://portexaminer.com/trade-data/fujian-ishine-cosmetics-co-ltd-bombshell-cosmetics-llc/exdo62r0102369/

 

So their PLM is Fujian Ishine Cosmetics Co Ltd then?

 

"Fujian Ishine Cosmetics Co.,ltd is a manufacturer in China. Their recent shipment to Publishers Clearing House in the USA contained 614KG of Lipstick"

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I imagine they are hiding that they are same company because, say, Ipsy would be less likely to buy a lipstick from Hikari and finishing powder from BaB and put them in the same month's bag (which they did a few months ago). Ipsy may or may not know they are the same company, no idea about that, but I think if it were common knowledge amongst their subscribers they know that people would be annoyed to be getting 2 out 5 or so items in the same bag from essentially the same no-name company, neither of whose lines have a fantastic reputation.

 

I have no problem with PLM - my understanding is that they often adjust formulas, ingredients etc. per their customer's orders, so just because one PLM makes a lipstick in a particular container it doesn't necessarily mean that all lipsticks that are in that container are the same. And they will cost different amounts to manufacture based on the ingredients, how much adjusting they have to do to stock colors etc.  

 

But I do find it hard to believe that the products are different when two companies in the same location are getting shipments from the same manufacturer of the same product in the same delivery.   And I'm starting to think I may stop some of my subscriptions that include a lot of product from BaB and Hikari, because I think either the factory or the formulation or the ingredients they are using (no idea which one or if it's a combo) are subpar.

 

While I was reading a little on this, I found these blogs from the person who runs So Susan cosmetics about getting products formulated etc. that look really interesting:

http://cosmeticsentrepreneur.com/

http://sosusan.com/blog/

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Interesting reading. Definitely in my bookmarks now.

 

I think we all can agree on that there is nothing wrong with a company using a PLM because let's face it, how many companies have the ability to make their products in-house like Estee Lauder or similar big companies? I think what angers people or at the very least causes them to rethink if they want to do business with a company is if the company is honest. If Hikari and BaB are honest and say, "Yup, we're sister companies" then it's not a big deal. Morphe Brushes and Crown Brushes are sister companies and they have never hidden that from people.

 

We also all know that Cailyn Cosmetics parent company - Smile Cosmetics if I recall correctly - also makes the products for other companies including MicaBeauty (formerly MicaBella) but of course MB has denied that despite the fact that there were (are) products on both sites are are identical right down to the color and names of the products. It's the same with Starlooks - everyone knows they use Modern Basics as one of their manufacturer. Honestly, it's not a big deal if companies are sister companies or owned by the same group of people or companies OR if they use a private label manufacturer. Look at Pixi Beauty and POP Beauty - both owned by the same company. Not a big deal so I don't get why Hikari and BaB don't just come out and state they're sister companies since the domain registration info (which is cached by Wayback Machine and Google) plus the contact info all show they share the same address.

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FWIW, this particular bill of lading shows Bombshell as the consignee for a shipment only containing Hikari branded pencils, so yeah, hard to argue otherwise at this point. http://portexaminer.com/trade-data/fujian-ishine-cosmetics-co-ltd-bombshell-cosmetics-llc/exdo62r0113092/

 

I feel like we could have a really boring detective show!

 

ETA: [PURE SPECULATION] Was thinking a little more about how their latest shipment appears to only be Hikari branded items. I imagine after the mascara incident and the numerous complaints about receiving too many BaB products from sub boxes and their low quality that subscription box companies are becoming less interested in buying from them. So it would make sense to switch your brand's name. And not admit they are the same company.  [/END PURE SPECULATION]

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I love how they scramble to cover things, which just makes everyone more curious and determined to figure everything out.

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LOL The folks here on MUT are known to be pretty good detectives. ;) Welcome to the MUT Detective Agency! LOL

 

Honestly, not a big deal that the two companies are owned by the same husband and wife team with their business partner(s) BUT for those that HATE Be A Bombshell you'll hate Hikari just as much since they get their products from the same place and are essentially the same company.  BUT for those that DO like BaB then you'll like Hikari as well and Hikari looks to be just slightly less expensive.

 

(Just don't deny or hide the fact it's the same company or owned by the same people. People don't like dishonesty and it's not hard to cross-reference information to find out the fact.)

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ETA: [PURE SPECULATION] Was thinking a little more about how their latest shipment appears to only be Hikari branded items. I imagine after the mascara incident and the numerous complaints about receiving too many BaB products from sub boxes and their low quality that subscription box companies are becoming less interested in buying from them. So it would make sense to switch your brand's name. And not admit they are the same company.  [/END PURE SPECULATION]

Well, that would make sense.  Rebranding is a pretty common practice to try to recover from a negative public image. . . and I like this detective show.  I feel like every post needs an "aha!" at the beginning of it, though :)

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May want to grab screenshots of what you find.. just for posterity.  Though I love the wayback machine.

For a company that's been there a while, there's not much visual footprint of them on google streetview.  I'm not sure where they would be manufacturing unless it's out of an unmarked building, their storefront is not overly large.  Maybe they bought the 2 adjacent units that show as 'sold'?

 

With them bringing both contact addresses up to date and publically the same, I would imagine they're not going to be denying a link for long

 

Storefront: https://goo.gl/maps/Zf0wf

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Has anyone happened to ask them? I just talked to my friend that works there and it is no secret that Hikari and Bombshell are sister companies. They have received several e-mails to customer service and they tell everyone that they are sister companies. She said the addresses are the exact same on all the products. So I looked and they are. She said Hikari was created with a more sophisticated pallet. It has very little shimmer or crazy names like Bombshell. They were actually asked to create this brand. My roommate said the owner also stated this recently - I will try to find it if it is online. (She may just be acting like she knows everything.)

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They did buy the 2 parking garages beside them and are expanding. I do know that as a fact. They do not produce the products there. All the packaging says it is made in China. I am going to go by there after work. She also told me that under FAQ the addresses have always been the same. Under returns and exchanges. She told her co-worker about the other address being wrong.

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Be A Bombshell. I have not seen any Hikari products in there. My friend is a designer for them and travels all over the world for "inspiration" so I know they design their own products, components, name colors, etc. She has worked for them for a long time and loves it there. I do not think they are a private label company since they design everything.

How do you know they design everything when everything points to PLMs from China.

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I think maybe we're all using private label to mean different things? It's my understanding that there are companies that you contact that will just put your name / logo on premade stuff (that was made in PRC, usually) and then companies that will manufacture and package products for you, based on your own specifications and formulations (again, generally in PRC).  Obviously the second method is more expensive and more likely to yield novel products and better quality, if that's what you're going for. No idea which method BaB / Hikari uses, but it's totally plausible that they are designing stuff in-house and just getting things made by iShine. 

 

Interesting reading on the subject:

 

http://cosmeticsentrepreneur.com/2012/03/10/reader-question-who-develops-our-formulations/

 

http://cosmeticsentrepreneur.com/2011/10/18/brand-private-label-cosmetics-as-your-own/

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I think maybe we're all using private label to mean different things? It's my understanding that there are companies that you contact that will just put your name / logo on premade stuff (that was made in PRC, usually) and then companies that will manufacture and package products for you, based on your own specifications and formulations (again, generally in PRC).  Obviously the second method is more expensive and more likely to yield novel products and better quality, if that's what you're going for. No idea which method BaB / Hikari uses, but it's totally plausible that they are designing stuff in-house and just getting things made by iShine. 

 

Interesting reading on the subject:

 

http://cosmeticsentrepreneur.com/2012/03/10/reader-question-who-develops-our-formulations/

 

http://cosmeticsentrepreneur.com/2011/10/18/brand-private-label-cosmetics-as-your-own/

Yes, most big cosmetics companies use the same manufacturers/suppliers, and just ask for certain things like colors, etc., and have their label printed on the product. They're not all going to build their own cosmetics manufacturing plants when those already exist. But that doesn't mean they don't develop the products to a certain extent. See for example: http://beautyandthebullshit.blogspot.com/2011/03/pencil-pornication-sequel.html

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OMG, Lyn, I was totally trying to find that beauty and the bullshit blog to post in this thread, but couldn't remember what it was called... and now I see that the whole reason I was aware of it was because of you! I love Cheap as F!  

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Julep uses PLMs as well. A private label manufacturer is just that - a manufacturer who is able to make a product for a company who then applies their name to the bottles or packaging. There is not wrong with a PLM since not every company can own their own labs and manufacturing plants. Even Sugarpill uses a PLM.

 

Now some companies do work with the PLMs to create their own colors based on what is offered by the PLM. Julep does this which is why they're able to come up with so many polish color variations. Starlooks and MicaBeauty on the other hand use to (I don't know if they still do) simply buys things straight from the manufacturer's pre-made catalog and slapped their name on the packaging. Some PLMs are good, some are bad.

 

Like I said before, nothing wrong with PLMs since even companies like CVS, RiteAid, Target and so many other companies use PLMs. There's actually a magazine dedicated to PLMs which I picked up at Cosmoprof trade show a few years back which actually had articles discussing the beauty PLMs and I think it was in that article that discussed CVS' PLM beauty products.

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It definitely does seem like using a PLM can lead to quality control problems and lack of a control over formulation/production (hence why I also quit Julep - some polishes were amazing and others just sucked).

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I knew of the issues with Bab products but  is there anything wrong with the Hikari lipstick we received in September? I used it once and I liked it.

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Quality varies from product to product- I've received four BAB products from Ipsy- the Bora Bora quad, the infamous mascara, setting powder and the eye base.

The only truly bad one was the mascara, and it was really only because mine dried out after a few uses. Some people freaked out over the smell but it really wasn't that bad. The Bora Bora quad is something I use from time to time and don't have issues like some had with pigmentation. The setting powder is the exact same thing as every other brand's setting powder in that they dumped cosmetic grade silica powder in a jar and put a fancy label on it (seriously, MUFE's setting powder has the exact same ingredient as this, same with the ELF product) so there's not a lot of room for screwing it up. The eye base is meh, I like the color and packaging but it creases pretty quickly so I don't really use it a lot.  

 

Overall, I find the products to be on par with ELF and NYC products- some are good, some are just okay, and some are terrible. That'd be okay at a $5 and less price point, but for $15-$20 products, I would not repurchase. I'd pay $8 for the eyeshadow quad if it had nicer packaging, but that's about the most I'd pay for any of the products I've tried so far.

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I agree if they priced the item at $5 or under they would be on point, but please don't try to sell it for the same price as Mac or UD and think you can pass crap off on me.

 

I've received 6 BAB products from various subs and they have been BAD, quality and some were even foul smelling. My mascara's smell was so strong that it filled my makeup area....so I'm guessing you got a "good" one.

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Quality varies from product to product- I've received four BAB products from Ipsy- the Bora Bora quad, the infamous mascara, setting powder and the eye base.

The only truly bad one was the mascara, and it was really only because mine dried out after a few uses. Some people freaked out over the smell but it really wasn't that bad. The Bora Bora quad is something I use from time to time and don't have issues like some had with pigmentation. The setting powder is the exact same thing as every other brand's setting powder in that they dumped cosmetic grade silica powder in a jar and put a fancy label on it (seriously, MUFE's setting powder has the exact same ingredient as this, same with the ELF product) so there's not a lot of room for screwing it up. The eye base is meh, I like the color and packaging but it creases pretty quickly so I don't really use it a lot.  

 

Overall, I find the products to be on par with ELF and NYC products- some are good, some are just okay, and some are terrible. That'd be okay at a $5 and less price point, but for $15-$20 products, I would not repurchase. I'd pay $8 for the eyeshadow quad if it had nicer packaging, but that's about the most I'd pay for any of the products I've tried so far.

 

Yep. I'm already way past my saturation point with BaB, but the quality really is no better than what I could get from ELF and in many cases, worse. For the amount of money they charge, I could get a higher end drugstore product, a midrange like UD, or several well- made indie products.

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