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Before using a relaxer, I'd have had to blowout, flatiron, then curl to achieve that look. My hair appeared thick, with super tight and unruly, frizzy curls. It's been close to 2 years since using a Redken treatment and now, if I put my hair in a bun after a wash, it'll air dry loose, but i still take a flat iron to it for this kind of look. Velcro rollers are okay, but i still find they snag in my hair lol, but that's just me and my lack of skill. Hot rollers would probably work better, you'd just want to try larger sized ones, I'd imagine.