I use pencil first than gel eyeliner with an angled eyeliner brush. I find that I have better control with gel liner and it is great for concealing the band on false lashes The liquid eyeliner that I have is Kiss Me Mascara brand. It is definately a fast drying, no smudge, water resistant liner. It is great for the winged look but the only problem is that I am not a pro at lining my eyes so if I make a mistake than it is harder to fix. Pencil is good for lining the outline and if you want a subtle look and nothing dramatic. I use to use MAC fluid line until I discovered Kryolan. You get double the amount for the same price and it works better.